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That's what I'm thinking. Someone needs to go post her a link to the NBA forum here.
That chicks hot and knows her basketball.
That's what I'm thinking. Someone needs to go post her a link to the NBA forum here.
This is a joke, right?
I had to go back & check your post count after reading the responses...I figured it right...lol...jefferies...wow!!!
Hill > Dyess/Splitter, assuming Splitter ever even comes, he might even be better than Blair eventually
if we could have gotten Hill and a first round swap like Houston did, that would have been totally worth it. I would have liked to somehow get them to take Dyess in the trade, but they probably wouldn't want any contract that isn't expiring, maybe they could have talked him into retiring.
but yeah, Houston did good in that trade on the NY front, not so much on the Sactown front, I like Landry more than Martin, I don't like Martin much at all
Last edited by vander; 02-19-2010 at 07:05 PM.
even if the spurs got jefferies the spurs would still suck....pop needs to retire
Jeffries is unquestionably a much better defender than Jefferson, Bogans, Finley, or Mason. he would have given the Spurs a 7 foot wingspan at the SF position and a guy who can guard all 5 positions. His offense is very weak, but so was Bowen's in his prime and Jeffries is a better rebounder and shotblocker than Bowen ever was. I agree with the OP-- him + picks would have been far better than what the Spurs currently have.
Chazley mentioned Luc Mbah a Moute in another thread, and I agree with that also.... again, a great defender who doesn't score much, plays tough D, and contributes with intangibles.
Speaking as somebody that lives in NY, Jeffries is absolutely horrible..
He's one of those guys that fans that don't watch him ask for every year..similar to Chris Wilcox..fans always ask for these guys because of their physical attributes, but anybody that consistently watches them knows how bad they are..
Being better than what the Spurs currently have isn't an accomplishment..
BTW, Mbah a Moute IS a great defender, he shouldn't be compared to a scrub like Jeffries..
I don't understand this sentiment... If he is better than what the Spurs currently have, than it makes sense to take that small step forward, especially if it comes with a first round pick-- especially since the situation involves a team that is gambling on landing two big free agents this summer, a scenario that could result in a very good pick if that gamble doesn't pay off.
You guys are not understanding my point... I'm not saying Jeffries would've been a great piece for us, I'm saying he's a relatively huge upgrade on the wing for us defensively, and if we take him off the Knicks hands, since they're desperate to get under the cap, we could've potentially gotten 2 unprotected first round draft picks, and next year we would've had a chance at getting JOHN WALL(the spurs luck in the lottery is well noted). Not to mention next year we could've packaged RJ's expiring contract with the 2012 unprotected pick, which could potentially be the best trading chip in the league if the Knicks don't get two max free agents (they won't in my opinion, I think they're REALLY screwed for the next 3-4 years). If the Spurs wanted, we could've potentially had John Wall, Parker, Gino, Duncan, Hill, Blair, Jeffries, McDyess and basically any pick at a big star outside of the top 1% of the league with the RJ/Knick 2012 first round draft pick... and we only give up Mason/Finley.
I'm not advocating this because of Jared Jeffries.
However, looking at it now we probably would've had to of given up Blair to get both unprotected first round draft picks, and we would've taken back Jordan Hill, so it would've probably looked like this:
Mason/Finley/Blair for Jeffries/Jordan Hill/Knicks 2011/2012 unprotected first round draft picks.
Anyone who wouldn't do that in a heartbeat is out of their minds.
With the luxury tax hit, jefferies contract would cost $14 mil next year...sorry he is not worth more than the lle...better defender or not, he would not help this team
We won't be THAT far over the cap next year, and we will always have moves that will be able to put us under, including trading RJ next year when he becomes super-valuable. I also really don't believe Manu will be back next year, I think someone is gonna throw 12-14 mil at him for 3-4 season and there's no way he can leave that on the table, which means we'll have even more room.
I know NY wouldn't do that deal. They only sent out the pick because they got TMac's $23M expiring deal in the trade, clearing a buttload more cap room for themselves. We don't even have $23M in expirings, unless you throw in Manu.
The flaw in this thinking is believing that because NY did a HUGE deal with many parts that you can cherry pick the best parts for your team's garbage.
Oh, and Jeffries sucks. Once you've been in the league 7 years, it's no longer potential. You're a bust.
You don't have to score much, but in this offense, the small forwards MUST be able to shoot the 3 ball at a good clip, say 36%+. Jeffries is a HORRIBLE shooter.
The one big thing we couldn't offer is strikeout insurance. If NY completely swings and misses in FA next summer, they still have TMac's Bird rights, instead of some Bonner/Mase/Finley combo. While he isn't an elite player anymore, he's a of a lot better than that sorry lot.
No one is going to take RJ off our hands for no return salaries, which would be the only way to get under the tax.
No one is going to offer Manu that money, because he's a 33 YO shooting guard who's breaking down, and who's ONLY lasted this long by having his minutes severely monitored and kept in the high 20s. If you're paying that kind of jack, you want a 36 minute player who's 5-6 years younger. He'll get offers, just nowhere NEAR that money. Think about maybe half of that.
There's 9 teams with 20 mil+ in cap space next year. Only 3 legitimate max players available, and another (Amare) who will also get the max for sure. Manu will be the beneficiary of a ton of teams with a ton of cap space, he will get 12 mil+ EASILY because teams will be desperate.
Also, like I said earlier, after thinking about the trade I mentioned we would have to throw Blair in in order to get both those picks. I don't see how New York or we could turn that deal down.
My point exactly... we would've been able to package the Knicks 1st round pick in 2012 and RJ for a superstar.
Um, no. Picks, even high ones, aren't sure things. We MIGHT be able to just dump his contract with that pick, but there will be no superstar coming back. , that pick could be in the 20s if LeBron and another FA sign in NY.
You need to get a little perspective on how things really work in the NBA. Wishing for something doesn't mean it's even feasible. Some team isn't going to take out our trash and give us gold for it.
12+ million is pretty much a maximum salary, and teams will be more desperate to cut payroll than spend.
I'm not saying there won't be a market for Manu, but $12 million is seems to be a very high price given his age and actual production.
RJ's 15 mil expiring contract and the Knicks unprotected 2012 first round draft pick. That is trash?!
Good lord can some1 with half a brain back me up here
keep up...if you are over the lux tax threshold, it is a dollar for dollar tax..as it stands..jefferies salary is $6,883,400 the tax would double that so jefferies salary is = to $13,766,800....and I wont even begin to discuss your thinking that a team is going to throw $12-14 mil for 3-4 years for manu, its telling enough...stick around & absorb
That pick is garbage if they sign any two of the top 5 FAs next summer. Why are you not seeing that?
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