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  1. #51
    A neverending cycle Trainwreck2100's Avatar
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    posturing

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    Ina world of hype, we win IronMexican's Avatar
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    Let Cleveland do what they want. It's dumbass Stern that should address it at the proper time. The proper time is after the season.

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    But the Wizards need a center after trading Haywood. It makes no basketball sense to buy him out. Stern is not stupid.
    They got andre blatche I dont know if he is a C but he can rebound.

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    EXACTLY!
    This is bull if the NBA does this. Either you make a rule that can't be exploited or you GTFO..!!!
    It's not like there isn't a precedent.

    "I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back,'' Stackhouse told The Associated Press on Wednesday in response to the proposed trade. "I ain't going nowhere."

    "The league has taken Stackhouse out of the deal," the source said. "They said, 'He can be in the trade, but he can't go back to Dallas after that.' "

    The 30-day rule was added to the league's collective bargaining agreement as a response to a trade between Boston and Atlanta in 2005. In that deal, Boston sent Gary Payton to Atlanta to reacquire Antoine Walker with the understanding that the Hawks would immediately waive Payton, who then re-signed with Boston three days later.

    The league frowned on this move, and ins uted the 30-day rule. By flouting the rule so publicly, Stackhouse may have given the league no choice but to eliminate him from the deal or prevent the Mavericks from re-signing him.

    "If Stackhouse had kept quiet, the league would not have been able to prove anything," a Western Conference executive said.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183

    If Big Z actually did make a similar comment, and I have not seen it, then the league will step in just like they did with Stack... and rightfully so.

  5. #55
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    lol Stern just wants LA to win another championship.
    Is that any different than you wanting Chicago to win another championship, bullsfan1000?

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    Players shouldn't be allowed to return until the next season if they are dealt before the mid-season tradeline.

    That's the way it should be but they need to enforce this starting next season. If Stern actually does this immediately all would break loose. At least I hope it would... Teams have been doing this for a while (yes I know the spurs did), if it only takes the Lakers and Celtics to openly criticize it then I'll forever hate that bas .

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    Yeah too late to enforce this now. They have to make a rule you can't return to your team until after the season is over.

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    If Big Z actually did make a similar comment, and I have not seen it, then the league will step in just like they did with Stack... and rightfully so.
    The league never "stepped in" and did anything. The Mavs were rightly worried that Stack's comments would create complications for a 30-day boomerang, so they took the pre-emptive step of not including him in the trade. The League Office never told the Mavs that Stack would definitely not be allowed to come back; they just didn't want to take the chance.

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    What's the big deal? They shouldn't prevent players from returning to their former teams. Z only wants to play for the Cavs and if that's what he wants, he should be able. Perhaps there should be no financial incentive for a player's new team to buy him out so quickly and let him return to his former club.

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    What's the big deal? They shouldn't prevent players from returning to their former teams. Z only wants to play for the Cavs and if that's what he wants, he should be able. Perhaps there should be no financial incentive for a player's new team to buy him out so quickly and let him return to his former club.
    Either way is better than this iffy bs going on now. Maybe they'll allow it, maybe they won't. Stupid confusion here.

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    I always hated the kind of trades like this one, Nets almost made one back the season when Kidd was traded glad Stackhouse F'd that up lol

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    Windhorst got to the bottom of this, It's a bull story written by a Lakers fan when the 2 teams who would care most about the Cavs getting Z back played last week.

    It's a bull story, and the NBA never said anything to the Cavs labout not being able to resign Z.

    On a side note, how pathetic are the Lakers that they are that worried about Z. Cavs are in their heads


    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ld_not_ba.html

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    Duh and/or hello! Ode to Triple Ocho's Avatar
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    Cavs can't even get out of the East.

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    LOL @ the usual insecurity coming from Laker fans..

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    Cavs can't even get out of the East.
    Then there's no need for you to be concerned about Cleveland getting Z back, is there?

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    Veteran cobbler's Avatar
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    The league never "stepped in" and did anything. The Mavs were rightly worried that Stack's comments would create complications for a 30-day boomerang, so they took the pre-emptive step of not including him in the trade. The League Office never told the Mavs that Stack would definitely not be allowed to come back; they just didn't want to take the chance.
    The league said they would step in. The fact that the Mavs recognized it and took it off the table does not change that. It's against the rules to pre arrange such a deal. It's a simple concept.

    "The league has taken Stackhouse out of the deal," the source said. "They said, 'He can be in the trade, but he can't go back to Dallas after that.' "

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183

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    Cobbler's point stands. Big Z commenting on him going home could this up for the Cavs. Simple as that. There is no Stern against the Cavs conspiracy lol. Stern wants Lebron to be the face by all means.

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    Veteran cobbler's Avatar
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    What's the big deal? They shouldn't prevent players from returning to their former teams. Z only wants to play for the Cavs and if that's what he wants, he should be able. Perhaps there should be no financial incentive for a player's new team to buy him out so quickly and let him return to his former club.
    It has nothing to do with players wanting to return to wherever. If they traded him to the Wizz with no pre arranged deal then no sweat. The Wizz buy him out and he goes wherever he chooses. If they pre arranged it then they are purposely cir venting the rules. It's black and white.

    Maybe just maybe the Cavs don't make the deal for Jamison if they know they are going to lose Z. But KNOWING they are going to get Z back because it's pre arranged makes the deal a draft pick for an all star from their perspective and that's a no brainer.

    One situation is a loophole.... the other is outright cheating. If you don't recognize the difference then so be it.
    Last edited by cobbler; 02-22-2010 at 08:49 PM.

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    LOL @ the usual insecurity coming from Laker fans..
    That's classic comming from someone who obsesses about the Lakers, Kobe, and the Pau trade nonstop.

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