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    Also, I assume they are going to use carbon dating to verify the walls age? If carbon dating can be used to support a story from the bible, it can also be used to support the fact that the earth is millions of years old. It cant be one way and not the other.

    I have to agree with this, I hate contradictions. I don't support carbon dating and therefore I will never use it to support my theories. At the same time i don't belittle anyone who doesn't know how to use a FTP server.

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    Only actual, living beings can experience pain.
    and then they die and go to

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    I have to agree with this, I hate contradictions. I don't support carbon dating and therefore I will never use it to support my theories. At the same time i don't belittle anyone who doesn't know how to use a FTP server.

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    I just wasn't use to seeing so popular a politician as President Obama was when he ran. The only other elections I have paid attention to were the previous two, which former President Bush were in.
    What do you consider popular? You're reasoning, like always, is flawed...or non-existent at times.

    Does popular mean who got the most votes? Who won the most states? Because Reagan won all but 1 state in 1984 and was a hugely popular President, winning almost 60 percent of the popular vote. Obama only won 52 percent of the popular.

    Nixon also defeated McGovern in a landslide. McGovern only won one state as well..and Nixon actually made it to 60 percent of the popular vote.

    But I'm sure you wouldn't have considered them the anti-christ. It's like all you would want is an ugly, short, unpopular man to run and you'd vote for him..because anyone who is handsome, charismatic, tall, and popular you'd think he's the anti-christ.

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    this thread wont end well....

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    For your consideration Big Zak:

    Revelation 13 ( the whole chapter) and Revelation 20:10.



    Notice how it list the devil, the beast, and the false prophet are each listed as their own separate identies.

    Also see that it says they- the devil, the beast, and the false prophet- will be tormented night and day for ever and ever.

    How can a movement be tormented? Only actual, living beings can experience pain.
    Also see that a big bad wolf blew down some houses except for the one made with brick.

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    ...And he will come again, to judge the living and the dead, and his Kingdom will have no end.

    Amen.

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    Disconnect and self destruct one bullet at a time.

    What's your rush now, everyone will have his day to die.

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    lol bible

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    What do you consider popular? You're reasoning, like always, is flawed...or non-existent at times.

    Does popular mean who got the most votes? Who won the most states? Because Reagan won all but 1 state in 1984 and was a hugely popular President, winning almost 60 percent of the popular vote. Obama only won 52 percent of the popular.

    Nixon also defeated McGovern in a landslide. McGovern only won one state as well..and Nixon actually made it to 60 percent of the popular vote.

    But I'm sure you wouldn't have considered them the anti-christ. It's like all you would want is an ugly, short, unpopular man to run and you'd vote for him..because anyone who is handsome, charismatic, tall, and popular you'd think he's the anti-christ.
    Actually, there was some speculation that Reagan was the antichrist among evangelicals when he ran. One of the "signs" was his name - Ronald Wilson Reagan - because his first, middle, and last name each has six letters, which equaled 666.

    And, when Clinton ran, there was speculation that he was the antichrist and that Hilary was the false prophet.

    My point is that the evangelical right calling someone (particularly, someone who does not support conservative and/or republican values) the antichrist is rather commonplace. I remember when Al Gore ran, one of my family members made the comment that he could be the antichrist

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    dude...the gate in narrow. being labeled a 'heretic' by the masses is a compliment.



    veronica, it's just different interpretations...different perspectives dependent on the readers beliefs.
    From your post it seems we agree about Whose side we are on. I am glad about that.

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    What do you consider popular? You're reasoning, like always, is flawed...or non-existent at times.

    Does popular mean who got the most votes? Who won the most states? Because Reagan won all but 1 state in 1984 and was a hugely popular President, winning almost 60 percent of the popular vote. Obama only won 52 percent of the popular.

    Nixon also defeated McGovern in a landslide. McGovern only won one state as well..and Nixon actually made it to 60 percent of the popular vote.

    But I'm sure you wouldn't have considered them the anti-christ. It's like all you would want is an ugly, short, unpopular man to run and you'd vote for him..because anyone who is handsome, charismatic, tall, and popular you'd think he's the anti-christ.

    I was trying to say that, for example with with Reagan and Nixon, had I paid attention to them, I might very well have come to a similiar su ion about them as I did President Obama.

    Or perhaps had I first come to the conclusion with Reagan, I would have had the frame of reference that, as you said, just because someone is popular, it does not make him the antichrist. That way, when I again encountered an incredibly popular politician, I would take the hype with a grain of salt.

    I believe that the anti-christ will be charismatic and popular. Those are traits that describe President Obama, although I personally do not think he is handsome.

    But,as you said, there are many charismatic and popular people and there will be only one Anti-Christ, so those characteristic alone do not prove anything.

    I did wonder if President Obama was the anti-christ and I am not ashamed of that.

    I have since come to think that it is unlikely that President Obama is the anti-christ. But the absolute assurance I am waiting for is for President Obama to publicly identify Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, because I know that is something the anti-christ would never do.

    If President Obama has made such an assertion, I have yet to hear about it.

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    But the absolute assurance I am waiting for is for President Obama to publicly identify Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, because I know that is something the anti-christ would never do.
    why wouldn't the anti-christ do that?

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    this church has really ed you up.

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    why wouldn't the anti-christ do that?
    The anti-christ will be all about promoting himself and Satan's agenda, not about giving Jesus the praise and glory Jesus is due.

    The anit-christ will live in direct opposition to Jesus. Therefore the anti-christ would never truly submit himself to Jesus and would not want to give the appearance of having done so.

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    If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand?

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    holy

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    The anti-christ will be all about promoting himself and Satan's agenda, not about giving Jesus the praise and glory Jesus is due.

    The anit-christ will live in direct opposition to Jesus. Therefore the anti-christ would never truly submit himself to Jesus and would not want to give the appearance of having done so.
    If I'm the a-c, I would say, "hey Christians, come get your Jesus mark on your forehead or right hand. Boo Devil. Yay Jesus" .....but have my fingers crossed so that it doesn't count.

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    If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand?
    does Satan not have access to the same script that you do?

    if he does, then he's an idiot.

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    If I'm the a-c, I would say, "hey Christians, come get your Jesus mark on your forehead or right hand. Boo Devil. Yay Jesus" .....but have my fingers crossed so that it doesn't count.
    The anti-christ will definitely try to fool people. He will be a liar and a deceiver, same as Satan.
    But those who put their faith in Jesus need not worry about ever falling prey to Satan or any of Satan's followers.

    When it comes to taking the mark of the beast, it is my belief that very person will know exactly what he or she is doing.

    Accepting the mark of the beast will involve forever rejecting Jesus, giving your soul to Satan, and dooming yourself to eternal torment in .

    Rejecting the mark of the beast will involve submitting your life to Jesus, gaining access to Heaven, and quite possibly forfeiting your life here on earth. The Bible makes it clear that many Believers in Jesus will be martyred for their faith.

    I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Even those who do not face execution will be penalized greatly by the anti-christ and his false prophet for refusing to take the mark of the beast.

    He [ the false prophet] also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
    It is not a decision anyone will be making lightly.

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    does Satan not have access to the same script that you do?

    if he does, then he's an idiot.
    Satan knows the Bible the same as me. And yes, he is certainly an idiot.

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    You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

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    The anti-christ will definitely try to fool people. He will be a liar and a deceiver, same as Satan.
    sounds like every preacher and politician that ever lived.

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    sounds like every preacher and politician that ever lived.
    Some certainly, but not all of them.

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    not yours, right? lol

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