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  1. #101
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    its the hornets system. place collison in another system with actual rookie minutes and hed show you what hes really made of. same with paul
    Really? Then, teams with point guard problems should definitely seek out the Hornets' coaching staff for advice.

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    its the hornets system. place collison in another system with actual rookie minutes and hed show you what hes really made of. same with paul
    Bobby Brown, Antonio Daniels, and Mike James disagree

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    No, because it includes several bad or weak games he had as a starter and those are still his averages.
    So you didn't leave off any games? You've included all the games he's played in this season? It's a simple question.


    I mean it's not some list of his best games as a starter it's all his games starting.
    If he's so good why do you only have to bring up his games as a starter? Why aren't his games as CP3's shoe shiner brought up? If he was as good as you say he is his coach would play him more. The fact is the Hornets suck when he starts, so they minimize the amount of times he starts.


    Seriously though, those numbers as a starter really don't impress you?
    Not as much as Brandon Jennings' numbers as a 50 point scorer impress me.


    Also, even including his stats as a backup his TS% and PER is significantly better than Jennings.
    Greg Oden's TS% and PER is higher than Kobe's. Maybe the Lakers should trade Kobe for Greg Oden.


    Jennings shouldn't be given points for playing more just because he lucked out and landed on a team w/o Chris Paul.
    You're right, the fact he's playing more on a team w/o Chris Paul that's better than the team with Chris Paul shouldn't count.

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    You're right, the fact he's playing more on a team w/o Chris Paul that's better than the team with Chris Paul shouldn't count.[/quote]

    Hornets w/ CP3 > Bucks.

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    Really? Then, teams with point guard problems should definitely seek out the Hornets' coaching staff for advice.

    The Hornets have designed a great system to inflate PG numbers. As far as winning basketball games and having playoff success, different story. Congrats on having a coaching staff that might not be able to win games but can make PG's look studly.

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    Since he can never play ahead of Paul (and neither could Jennings) you have to go by per minute stats when Paul plays, not sure why this is complicated. Also, Jennings 36.6% fg is the turd in the punch bowl of the Pro-Jennings argument. He's been one of the worst shooters in the league strictly measuring fg%.

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    Hornets w/ Darren Collison as a backup > Bucks.

    thanks for proving my point. In order to be on a team as good as the one Brandon Jennings starts on, Darren Collison needs to be a backup. When he starts his team becomes worse than the Bucks.

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    The Hornets have designed a great system to inflate PG numbers. As far as winning basketball games and having playoff success, different story. Congrats on having a coaching staff that might not be able to win games but can make PG's look studly.
    That's actually your best point, but Milwaukee hasn't exactly made Jennings play in the triangle either.

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    thanks for proving my point. In order to be on a team as good as the one Brandon Jennings starts on, Darren Collison needs to be a backup. When he starts his team becomes worse than the Bucks.
    Bucks have only been better since the trade deadline when they acquired Salmon. He and Bogut are having to carry the load since Jennings can't hit the side of a barn.

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    That's actually your best point, but Milwaukee hasn't exactly made Jennings play in the triangle either.

    Milwaukee has made Jennings the starter on an above .500 playoff team. New Orleans starts Collison as a plan B knowing that they won't make the playoffs if CP3 doesn't come back soon and reduce Collison's role.

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    Bucks are 9-1 since the Salmons trade.

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    23 rebounds for the Warriors tonight.

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    Jennings shooting stats by month:
    October: 51.6%
    November: 42.0%
    December: 36.7%
    January: 32.4%
    February: 30.7%
    March (so far): 30.4%

    Yikes.

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    Bucks have only been better since the trade deadline when they acquired Salmon. He and Bogut are having to carry the load since Jennings can't hit the side of a barn.

    No, the Bucks have been better since Michael Redd went down. They started off 8-3. Michael Redd came back. They went 7-16. Michael Redd went down when they were 15-19. After that they played .500 basketball before the Salmons trade. As long as Michael Redd was out, Jennings had the Bucks playing above .500 basketball without Salmons.

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    Jennings shooting stats by month:
    October: 51.6%
    November: 42.0%
    December: 36.7%
    January: 32.4%
    February: 30.7%
    March (so far): 30.4%

    Yikes.

    Neat he's shooting poorly. He can do more for a playoff team than play backup. Collison can't.

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    Also, having a good pick and roll guy in David West is the reason Collison is putting up such good numbers as a starter. Take away Collison's option to the pick and roll for 48 minutes and he doesn't put up such good stats. Jennings would shoot better and put up better numbers if he had a good pick and roll big.

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    Neat he's shooting poorly. He can do more for a playoff team than play backup. Collison can't.
    He's not doing anything for the Bucks these days. Ridnhour runs the team when it counts. The Bucks would be even better if they had Collison.

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    Also, having a good pick and roll guy in David West is the reason Collison is putting up such good numbers as a starter. Take away Collison's option to the pick and roll for 48 minutes and he doesn't put up such good stats. Jennings would shoot better and put up better numbers if he had a good pick and roll big.
    Bogut is having a better year then West.

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    Bogut is having a better year then West.

    Has nothing to do with what I said. West is one of the best power forwards and centers to run pick and rolls with in the NBA. Bogut is a low post player. There's no stat for dumping an entry pass down to Bogut so he can post up, there's a stat for dishing to ball to West on a pick and roll or pick and pop.

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    The Hornets have designed a great system to inflate PG numbers. As far as winning basketball games and having playoff success, different story. Congrats on having a coaching staff that might not be able to win games but can make PG's look studly.
    I'm curious, what system are you talking about?

    Collison having a good year as a starter = he's a product of a system?

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    He's not doing anything for the Bucks these days.

    He seems to be doing more for them than Collison is for the Hornets. Congrats to Collison, he can run pick and rolls with West all day and run up his stat line.

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    Neat he's shooting poorly. He can do more for a playoff team than play backup. Collison can't.
    Not sure what you have to offer other than your opinion to back that up. Collison is better when he gets a chance to play a full game and his per minute numbers are better than Jennings when he doesn't. And Jennings is not shooting poorly the last couple of months, he's shooting unbelievably bad. Like historically bad.

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    Has nothing to do with what I said. West is one of the best power forwards and centers to run pick and rolls with in the NBA. Bogut is a low post player. There's no stat for dumping an entry pass down to Bogut so he can post up, there's a stat for dishing to ball to West on a pick and roll or pick and pop.
    Not true. Bucks do run a pick n roll with Bogut. The problem is Jennings can't shoot so opposing teams go under and force him to shoot.

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    Collison having a good year as a starter = he's a product of a system?

    Somewhat. He's not putting up these numbers in a balanced offense. He's putting up good numbers in an offense that doesn't run any plays other than the PG-PF pick and roll.

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    Bucks do run a pick n roll with Bogut.

    Do they do it anywhere near as often as Nawlins runs pick and rolls with West? I highly doubt that considering the Collison/Paul-West pick and roll is the one play New Orleans runs in the half court.

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