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additionally have you homers noticed how other NBA teams are desperate to get Ian? seriously, do you really beleive Spurs got 1 phone call about Ian????
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Yea, that basically sums it up. Half his actions on the court look promising, the other half look like he still isn't ready for the NBA.
He wasn't resigned by the Spurs, no one wants him to log minutes (if Pop, Duncan, anyone important wanted him to play...he'd play), and in his opportunities he looks pretty damn raw. Beyond what fans see and hear; he's shown a lot more to the Spurs organization which includes his years in the dleague and how he's been playing behind the scenes. Says a lot that they don't want to play their multi-year project player after seeing what he's able to do especially given the Spurs struggles this year which includes the frontcourt.
additionally have you homers noticed how other NBA teams are desperate to get Ian? seriously, do you really beleive Spurs got 1 phone call about Ian????
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Learn to read !
we should sign Epic Beard Man for post defensive purposes
Jefferson made a dumb turnover for walking on the end of the fast break pass from Manu. Sometimes players are just our of position and off balance, no matter their experience or physical ability.
Mahinimi has physical ability and size but that always isn't enough. Barkley puts it best, "Deer can run and jump, but they can't play in the NBA"
That being said, Mahinmi seems to constistently have problems with basic basketball moves (like not walking) that most players learn in high school. He's so far behind his compe ion in this league that it may be impossible for him to ever develop into a rotation player on a decent team.
The Spurs have drafted or tradef for plenty of Big guys over the years who just couldn't make it. (Dwayne Schnitzius comes to mind first) And they had the advantage of high school and college careers where they could learn the basics.
I've come to the conclusion that Obstructed_View, who is a Mahimnisucker and one of the few supporters of Mahimni on ST, is actually Mahimni's agent.
OK, I'm a Ian supporter too, but comparing him to guys like Rodman and Amare is a massive stretch..
There are plenty of Ian supporters. Most of them explain their opinion reasonably. Those that want to write him off after 82 minutes...not so much.I've come to the conclusion that Obstructed_View, who is a Mahimnisucker and one of the few supporters of Mahimni on ST, is actually Mahimni's agent.
+ 1,000,000. who in the goes balls to the wall , all out in PRACTICE and risk injury?
Rodman was a ing all-NBA 1st team D and DPOY-caliber player in those years..
Manu: A thief?
by Wayne Vore (ATS) on Mar 6, 2010 10:07 AM CST in Game Previews & Recaps
Did Manu Ginobili steal Ian's bucket? I think that is the big question from last night's Hornets game.
With 2:00 left in the game, Ian and Manu went up to rebound a missed Matt Bonner shot. The ball was tipped in and the PA announcer immediately wailed, "MANUUUUUUU GINOBILIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!'
Ian claims it was his tip and he wants his bucket. However, he wasn't getting any love from any of his teammates.
George Hill said if it Ian wanted it then he should have come out of the pile and claimed it as his right away. Manu, for his part, said he would donate it to UNICEF if it made Ian feel better.
i am i Ian supporter to the fact that i want to see him given REAL minutes and then evaluate him! i can tell alot of these ignorant posters never played organized anything in their lives !!
Did Ian bang your wife or something?
Are you genuinely averse to seeing this guy get 15 minutes a game?
A couple of months ago i wasn't a huge proponent of giving Hairston and Mahinmi heavy minutes. I was hoping the Spurs could develop some chemistry and build on that throughout the rest of the season. That obviously hasnt happened, and i see no reason to push this team to a second round exit. You play to win championships. This is not a championship team. Giving minutes to the young guys is not going to mess with the terrible chemistry in the current rotation.
I'd like to see guys like Hairston and Mahinmi get quality minutes to see if the Spurs have some pleasant surprises going into next season. Maybe Mahinmi gives the Spurs a reason to try and sign him in the offseason...
Either way, it allows those guys to develop and feel out the Spurs system. I don't see where the Spurs have anything to lose in doing this.
If I were Mahinmi's agent I wouldn't need to try to get him PT with the Spurs. He's going to get a really nice contract next year based on the performance against the Nets earlier this season. If he's just a deer with athletic ability, someone's going to pay him to find out if he can play. It's too bad the Spurs paid him while not finding out if he could play. It's too bad so many of you are so scared to death that he might be able to play that you're willing to overlook anything good he does or suggest that Richard Jefferson playing center with 4 guards is good basketball.I've come to the conclusion that Obstructed_View, who is a Mahimnisucker and one of the few supporters of Mahimni on ST, is actually Mahimni's agent.
Francisco Elson has a championship ring . . .
Well hes a good guy and I hope he does land a good contract next year. Which country do you think? Greece, Italy, Spain?
here we go with the insults again. grow up kid.
Again, noone has answered the question, why doesn't Mahinmi impress in practice. Why isn't Buford screaming at Pop to play him? why haven't we heard any dissent in Spurs organization regarding Mahinmi??? (oh yeah, "pop is a dictator and everyone is afraid of him"
its funny to think amateur posters on an internet forum that have seen Ian play for about 10 minutes think they have a better opinion on him than coaches and staff that see him play 24/7.
Bro, we're not going by just what we've seen with our own eyes, facts have been posted about his statistics showing he is on par with the beginning of quite a few highly regarded players in the league today. And he's managed to do that getting sporadic minutes over a few years.here we go with the insults again. grow up kid.
Again, noone has answered the question, why doesn't Mahinmi impress in practice. Why isn't Buford screaming at Pop to play him? why haven't we heard any dissent in Spurs organization regarding Mahinmi??? (oh yeah, "pop is a dictator and everyone is afraid of him"
its funny to think amateur posters on an internet forum that have seen Ian play for about 10 minutes think they have a better opinion on him than coaches and staff that see him play 24/7.
Nobody is saying it's a 100% certainty he is the next Dikembe Mutombo but even if there's the slightest chance the spurs owe it to themselves to find out once and for all by getting this guy an extended look.
It would have been nice if Popovich would have given him an extended look earlier this year, especially considering a decision on his option was looming and they planned on dumping Ratliff 2/3 of the way through the season anyway.
It's these types of illogical, nonsensical things that have many of us wondering WTF is going on with the management of the spurs.
Maybe the questions should be, What impresses Pop in practice enough to play the guy? Is Bogans a practice demon? Are the other players who did not impress Pop in practice that have done well else where? The team hasn't really had intense practice sense October, so why does the assessment then limit him now when he shows productivity when he does play?here we go with the insults again. grow up kid.
Again, noone has answered the question, why doesn't Mahinmi impress in practice. Why isn't Buford screaming at Pop to play him? why haven't we heard any dissent in Spurs organization regarding Mahinmi??? (oh yeah, "pop is a dictator and everyone is afraid of him"
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As far as internal dissent, the Spurs must be one bunch of happy campers because we never hear about their dissent. Or maybe, just maybe, they keep those kind of things quiet. Issues to play Mahinmi would be given the same accord.
Its not just practice and Pop; its his multiple years under the Spurs umbrella including the Toros.
As far as internal "dissent", that does happen . First example that comes to mind is when RJ came to Pop and requested to play SF instead of PF since...he's a SF.
Ian has had multiple years under the Spurs organization and still looks like a guy that won't cut it in the NBA and the stats and effort show it. He's too prone to turnovers, fouls, and just stupid mistakes. Sure, he has some promise, but he's basically what a lot of NBA wannabes are like: athletic but lacking in fundamentals, intangibles, and ability to play on the highest basketball level.
Spurs gave him multiple years but his injury, lack of progress, etc. have shown to be more disappointing than not - but at least he was a relatively inexpensive project. Says a lot that the Spurs, renowned for drafting and improving foreign talent, don't think that he's earned substantial minutes since he's been their project player AND the Spurs have been struggling this season including the frontcourt.
He's his own enemy.
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That is extremely flawed because one could go find numerous similar numbers of big men that didn't come close to succeeding like those 6 (if you can even consider Elson's career a success).
He has similar first 90 stats to Jerome James, not exactly one of the greats.
Last edited by MrFundamental; 03-10-2010 at 12:11 PM.
You obviously aren't aware that the Spurs never have scrimmages, where players can show their true worth, during the course of the season. With days off in between games, Popovich has very light practices/shootarounds and prioritizes rest more than anything. So for you to say " Why doesn't Mahinmi impress in practice?" is just plain stupid..here we go with the insults again. grow up kid.
Again, noone has answered the question, why doesn't Mahinmi impress in practice. Why isn't Buford screaming at Pop to play him? why haven't we heard any dissent in Spurs organization regarding Mahinmi??? (oh yeah, "pop is a dictator and everyone is afraid of him"
its funny to think amateur posters on an internet forum that have seen Ian play for about 10 minutes think they have a better opinion on him than coaches and staff that see him play 24/7.
And there are some people within the Spurs organization who are perplexed on how and why Mahinmi and Hairston aren't given a real opportunity.
The Spurs don't really practice during the season, but maybe Rasho and Nazr stopped impressing Pop in practice at the end of the 2006 regular season after a 63-19 record which prompted Pop to phase out both of them in the playoffs.here we go with the insults again. grow up kid.
Again, noone has answered the question, why doesn't Mahinmi impress in practice. Why isn't Buford screaming at Pop to play him? why haven't we heard any dissent in Spurs organization regarding Mahinmi??? (oh yeah, "pop is a dictator and everyone is afraid of him"
its funny to think amateur posters on an internet forum that have seen Ian play for about 10 minutes think they have a better opinion on him than coaches and staff that see him play 24/7.
I guess Hairston didn't impress Pop in practice when he was really outplaying Keith Bogans during camp and pre-season.
I guess Bruce Bowen didn't impress Pop in practice last year when he was benched in favor of Finley.
It's funny to think people who claim to be Spurs fans wouldn't recognize the pattern of Pop replacing decent players with bad players and replacing big lineups with small lineups going back several years. I guess you guys have to use the "something we don't see" argument since the players you're bagging on show the ability to play during the tiny amount of playing time they're given.
I see 3 possible reasons why Mahinmi gets no playing time.
1. He really isn't that good.
2. Money. Since the Spurs didn't extend him, even if he plays good they would have to match offers at the end of the season.
3. They are waiting for Splitter who they think is a sure thing. So why waste a year developing Mahinmi when he would be replaced anyway?
Yah, we caught a glimpse of one of those "light practices" in which Matt Bonner was playing 'horse' with himself and going 1 vs 1 against an oar.
That must be why Ian failed to impress Pop because his over the backboard shooting was unrefined, resulting in multiple losses in 'pig' and 'horse'.
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