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I just translated an article written by Manu for his site. Will probably be up shortly in the english section. He obviously wants to go to Turkey, but he's still undecided, and he won't be making the decision anytime soon.
Honestly I dont understand why people think Manu´s has considerably more chances of getting injured if he plays that 2 weeks.
He could get injured in the next 2 weeks, or in a month.... (hopes not)
Yes, I understand that is summer and the boddy needs de rest and whatever. But if Spurs dont reach the US Finals, he can have the same...or more rest.
US Championship and World Cup championship are still sports with almost identical rules.
Everybody is exagerating because of what happen last time...
PS: Manu can win the NBA ring again and the WC champ!! (only important le he has not yet won). He prefers to win the WC with his country mates than another ring. I think that he will use the money as a tool to play in the summer and stay as a Spur (probably he will agree a pay cut). This is what I think it will happen. He always had a "bad salary" (if we think about what he brings on the court) so...another spot in the tiger won´t hurt him.
There are so many talking about money. But Manu thinks a lot on intangibles (WC maybe?). Manu feels the intangibles. He creates them. Like in the court. That´s why he is so special.
Maybe we are all here spending time on this and it all depends on his wife´s decision
I just translated an article written by Manu for his site. Will probably be up shortly in the english section. He obviously wants to go to Turkey, but he's still undecided, and he won't be making the decision anytime soon.
He also would like to play in London in 2012... just saying...
If He plays in International championship I hope the Spurs take out a multi-million dollar insurance policy on him in case he gets injured .
Like Pop once said; "He's Manu Ginobili"
We're talking about one of the great compe ors in recent memory. The end of his basketball career is in sight and I'm sure he wants to do as much as possible in the few years left to him as an elite athlete. People like him do not readily accept limitations or conditions. I don't doubt for a minute that he believes he can play to his maximum level for his NT and for an NBA team. It's that mindset that results in a player who never gives up on a play, a game, or a season.
He's Manu Ginobili.
All NBA players in FIBA sponsored tournaments are covered by insurance. Insurance payments do not, however, enable a team to replace the player with someone of comparable talent.
Old story here on ST. Some people will understand it. Some others will ask for loayalty to the team who pays him as a professional athlete. IMO, that's because they are professional athletes that they have to play these international compe ions. that's how it should be in every sports IMO, either it will be the death of these compe ions.
but i find this sentence amazing:
i just can't agree with this. and i'm not far from finding it disgusting. i mean i understand it would be difficult to be far from his wife and his young twins, without a doubt. no problem."First and foremost, my twins, who will be a few months old by then and it will not be easy to leave them alone with their mother."
but to make it an argument not to play in the World champ ? that's all the loyalty you've got for your beloved country ?
WTF ? i know dozens of fathers who had to let for some days/weeks their young baby for their work. We're talking about some few weeks. i always respected Manu for his will to play and to compete with his NT. but here, we're talking about selfishness. a diva behaviour. If he put his national team above his NBA team, leaving his family for some weeks shouldn't be a problem. it's not like he would miss his twins birth or if his wife would be without anyone to help and take care of her. Childish and irrespectful.
Settle down cleetus... I wasn't making that argument, I was simply pointing to the fact that others can't use it against him either... Way to read between the lines.
I'm one of few people who think Ginobili could have been an effective NBA player since the end of the year 2000... instead the FO waited and brought him over for the 2002-2003 season, one in which he was hampered by the aformentioned injury, but one that ultimately resulted in him being a factor at the end.... This was because Ginobili was already that good.
Much of his inconsistency that season however stemmed more from Popovich not yet realizing that the Ginobili package came with boneheaded plays... and understanding that this same Ginobili was still just as capable of winning the game for you if only given playing time... Popovich didn't have this epiphany 'til the end of the 2004 season after failing to properly maintain Turkoglu's confidence at Ginobili's expense...
That's why that Gold Medal run was as important to Ginobili's confidence as it was to Pop's use of his talents. It would be silly to claim otherwise given his use before that tournament.
One that was sustained while overcompensating for the injury he suffered while playing for the Spurs the season before. I already suggested that he should have taken that summer off to nurse his injury... I'm not arguing in favor of his decision to play in Beijing.
This time around (knock on wood) he is perfectly healthy. The choice is his. That said, he realizes that more factors than just health need to be considered.
The "Top of the Key play" that no one seems to stop when Ginobili is "on" (even though they know it's coming) wasn't a go-to play 'til after his Gold medal run... not before...
I was at that 2OT game you cited... we knew he was special then. And yet Pop still deferred to Hedo for most of that season.
Ginobili started the 04-05 season on a tear.... enough to garner him his only all-star selection, despite having played that summer. He didn't run out of gas either (a common strawman around here) because his particular post-season run that season was one for the ages... 2005 Playoff Ginobili is the long-haired version of the Ginobili we envision when people suggest "he's back"...
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Sons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else (specially a basketball tournament)
He actually did said in his article that he understands that his body might prevent him from doing all those things (he mentioned that the qualifying tournament for the Olympics might actually be in Argentina, with all the weight that carries). So he's definitely aware of his limitations. Then again, there's always the compe or in him pushing and pushing...
Yep. Manu's aware of his limitations, he's just not quite ready to accept them. It's an integral part of his character. It's what makes him fly headlong for a loose ball knowing the impact with the hardwood will follow. I want him to rest this summer, but I understand the internal forces pointing toward the opposite decision.
See ya!!! I hope you foul a TP layup to lose the WC.
There's some on that (the internal forces) in the article. I can't really post it until it's on their site, as I explained in the other thread, but make sure to have a look at it when it comes out. It makes for an interesting read.
Not lost on his decision is the effect that the CBA negotiations will have on next season...
He might actually have a "summer" even if he decides to play due to the likelihood that we end up with another lock-out...
It's a shame for Duncan though....
Looking forward to it. It will be good to get something straight from the source without editing.
Any American NBA players planning on playing for the U.S.?
really ?i guess you understood that wasn't the point. he doesn't have to abandon them for good to play this World championship...
it's about letting his family what ? 4 weeks ? and that's the main worry for manu about his play with his beloved NT ? come on.
Every player has to let his family for some weeks in this kind of tournament.
his children will be young but still some months old and hopefully, healthy.
i'm not saying he won't miss them but come on, a lot of people has to do the same thing for their job.
On a side note, the Manchester City soccer team coach, the Italian Roberto Mancini, has asked Carlos Tevez, his argentine star, to come back quickly in England to play for his team whereas he was in Argentina next to his wife and his premature baby whose health was very fragile. He even reproached him his non-professional behaviour (staying a lot of time far from the team who pays him).
i found this awful, disgusting from Mancini. Tevez came back and was brilliant and clutch in a very important game against Chelsea, making somehow Mancini right about his request.
Still that was an abject behaviour from the coach. In Manu's situation, it would only be the usual life of a professional athlete, even if i of course understand he would miss his family.
2 weeks. August 28 to September 12.
i was counting the training/preparation with the team before the tournament.
True. He did say he wanted to practice with the team before going, if he decided to go. But he can travel with the kids for that if they're healthy.
They should be 3 months old by then, IIRC.
Of course it would be OK for Ginobili to leave his kids for a month or so to play the WC, but it would also be OK for him to stay with them (specially considering that they would be just a few months old) instead of playing for a team that he already gave everything he could ever dream of. I don't care either way but I found your "i just can't agree with this. and i'm not far from finding it disgusting" comment as an exaggeration. Do you really find almost "disgusting" the fact that he prefers to stay with his kids than playing a basketball tournament?really ?
it's about letting his family what ? 4 weeks ? and that's the main worry for manu about his play with his beloved NT ? come on.
Every player has to let his family for some weeks in this kind of tournament.
his children will be young but still some months old and hopefully, healthy.
i'm not saying he won't miss them but come on, a lot of people has to do the same thing for their job.
On a side note, the Manchester City soccer team coach, the Italian Roberto Mancini, has asked Carlos Tevez, his argentine star, to come back quickly in England to play for his team whereas he was in Argentina next to his wife and his premature baby whose health was very fragile. He even reproached him his non-professional behaviour (staying a lot of time far from the team who pays him).
i found this awful from Mancini. Tevez came back and was brilliant and clutch in a very important game against Chelsea, making somehow Mancini right about his request.
Still that was an abject behaviour from the coach. In Manu's situation, it would only be the usual life of a professional athlete, even if i of course understand he would miss his family.
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sometimes my limited english can make me use inappropriate words. disgusting was one of those.
but still, i find it shocking, really. without a doubt. This should be an relatively "easy" sacrifice for someone who always claimed his love for his NT.
Imagine that discussion...
Pop: "No TP you can't play this summer"
TP: "If Manu goes to the WC, I'll go too"
Pop:"Manu won't play this summer"
TP: "Yeah but Manu said to me if you go I'll go then I said if you go I'll go"
...
Not if he doesn't have a contract. He'll only risk his health if it's someone eles's millions of dollars on the line. If Manu's a free agent you're likely going to see just how passionate and patriotic he is when he stays at home.
Not really. It's not about the money. Insurance pays back if he gets injured.
What it does do, however, is limit said team on having Manu's contribution for the duration of recovery.
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