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You sure talk about Tony a lot.
He's always been a facilitator. What a horrible failure of a take that was.The thing is, before this year I would never have called Gino a facilitator...I would have called him a turnover machine.
The OP is not about Parker. It's about defense and transition benefiting Jefferson, and the fact that the guys on the floor are playing inspired ball which is what Jefferson needed to succeed.
But in the teary eyes of Parker fanboys, it is just another indictment of their fav player.
The thing is, before this year I would never have called Gino a facilitator...I would have called him a turnover machine.
You sure talk about Tony a lot.
He's always been a facilitator. What a horrible failure of a take that was.The thing is, before this year I would never have called Gino a facilitator...I would have called him a turnover machine.
Perfect point. But my point to Parker fans....Why does he have to be perfect?
Why does Tony have to be perfect?
You tell me.
At best, he's an average assist man. I like Tony but he doesn't make his teammates better. He's defense is also suspect as he doesn't always go all out on that side of the floor. I say he could be a great sixth man ala Leonardo Barbosa. He could come in and run the break by himself against the other team's second unit. He would destroy any other team's bench. Obviously, when it came down to crunch time, you would want Tony in there.Butthurt Manu fanboys start threads like this one.
Not at all! We just want the team to in win the championship. Who the cares how it's done or who starts.
Sorry Parker-lovers, but if you can't see his flaws now, you never will.
Dude calls his own number above all else. His at ude should be much different since he's clearly injured. He had his chances; Pop gave him play calling ability. He should have been pounding the rock into RJ much more often.
You can't blame him for failing his role, though, especially since he's hobbled; blame Pop for placing him in a situation where he can't succeed. Basing a talented scoring team around a score first, clearly hobbled PG is a mistake 100% of the time.
Also, saying our guys should "catch up" with him on the break when he's been hobbled all season is pretty funny. I've been very disappointed in his decision making, whether it be in the break or in the half court, all season.
He already does against the other team's first unit when he's healthy.
This thread was hijacked by a butthurt Tony fan at reply 1. Go figure.
His errant assist attempts are a thing of legend. Are you new to the Spurs? Have you seen Pop turn all red and goofy as Gino mutters in spanish and takes the bench following a turnover? It's only happened a million times over the last decade...
I would say this season is an anomaly for Ginobili. He is fine tuning his assist game because he is entering the last stage of his career.
Parker's absence has nothing to do with the team playing better as of late, with the exception of forcing Pops hand of starting Manu.
I think the loss of Finley (who I still repspect greatly), is a huge factor as well, since again, it forced Pop to play Malik, who is a better defender, rebounder, and much more athletic than Fin was in the twilight of his career.
I suppose Bonner getting hot and contributing has to do with Tony being out ?
How quickly people forget TP destroying the Cavs in '07, and how well he was starting to play right before the injury, almost as quickly as they forget TP almost single handedly keeping the Spurs in the playoff picture when both Manu and TD were out last year.
My only fear is that when TP comes back, Pop will immediately toss him into the starting lineup. When TP comes back, he should come off the bench until he gets a rythm.
We see many times when a vital cog is hurt, it causes a team to gell because others have to step up...that has happened. The Spurs are not a better team without Tony Parker.
Not going to happen regardless.
I agree that Pop has been inflexible regarding compensation for injuries, but no one has gotten more of a pass for injury diminished performance than Manu.
Of course there is a "when healthy" caveat -- but so what? When two or three of the big three are injured, this team sucks. When Parker is injured, he's much less effective. Duh.Also, saying our guys should "catch up" with him on the break when he's been hobbled all season is pretty funny. I've been very disappointed in his decision making, whether it be in the break or in the half court, all season.
He doesnt. But if our personell no longer suits his game, I think he should be the one to give, not the entire roster who is not Tim or who doesnt get all their points behind the arc.
As three guys stand still as a board to hold spacing for Tim and Tony...
I think that is a gross oversimplification of the team's situation, but if you need a scapegoat, Tony will be a popular one.
Let's play well against some good teams with this lineup. Then we can draw conclusions.
Doesn't have to be that way.As three guys stand still as a board to hold spacing for Tim and Tony...
My jury is still out as well. I want to see our team under fire. I think Pop may see a low ceiling for all these young guys, leading him to let them rot on the bench (much to the ire of many on this board). Lets see if that ceiling exists.
But isnt it weird how Hill gives up the ball, moves without the ball, and the offense flows? Manu gets the offense flowing as well...
And Tony does not design the offense so it is not his fault. It's up to Pop to get the pot stirring itself.
The only Reason Manu has gotten that pass is because of the way he plays the game. Fans see that and quickly recognize his dedication to the game of Basketball. If it's not going to happen regardless, why not throw in the kids in the water to see if they can swim?? Spurs have nothing to lose at this point! Nobody is expecting to go past the first round so what's wrong with experimenting a little???
Against horrible teams? It's not weird at all.
It doesn't, but Tony calls those plays.
I for one am tired of watching games and hearing about how we live and die by the three ball. I like the easy buckets, the layups and dunks by Hill and RJ that happen after everyone has touched the ball. I hate seeing the pick and roll and the kick out to RMJ for another brick.
Any new lineup that works against elite teams will bring a breeze of fresh air to all Spurs Fans! He haven't consistently beat good teams in the Regular season/playoffs the last two years, and that's with Tony/Tim/Manu in and out the lineup.
I hope we are turning the corner and will show success against top teams.
RJ has never had the opportunity to make a drive because of Tony?
Seriously, Bonner has been driving more lately than RJ did at the start of the season.
[waits for Bonner's drives to be attributed to Parker's absence]
TP is French. 'Nuff said.
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