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    But I hear. Extreme reactions can be looked as nothing more than wanting attention.

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    Who said I felt guilty about it? I find the whole "white guilt" thing to be completely unproductive in creating any kind of social change. I do think it is important to recognize the way power/privilege/oppression works within our society and to recognize the ways in which we all are hurt and helped by that system based on various aspects of our iden y and at different times in our lives, but guilt does nothing. I don't feel guilty for receiving privilege based on my race, nor do I expect someone who is male and/or heterosexual to feel guilty for receiving privilege that I don't.

    Guilt is not a necessary component in recognizing a need for change.



    Privilege in general can mean any number of things, but is as often as not defined by the you just don't have to worry about: things that are granted you automatically. In terms of race, that can range from big things -- I live fairly assured of never being turned away from an apartment or a job based on my race, for example -- to little things, like knowing that I can turn on the TV and see countless other people who look like me or that I can shop in any store without half the staff following/watching me.

    If you're genuinely interested in what I'm talking about, rather than just looking to argue, Peggy McIntosh's 1988 article, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," is generally seen as the defining text on the subject and is a pretty interesting read. That link above is a PDF.

    i can respect this. i would like to hold my judgement until i read the PDF.

    thanx

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    Whatever. If we're gonna have sympathy amongst the races, we need to end distinctions positive or negative. Also we must eliminate double standards. Just because you've been enslaved, doesn't mean its acceptable for you to hurl slurs at a "priveleged" group. Don't piss and moan when you don't have the colorblind society.

    "It's a black think, you wouldn't understand" "Only Mexicans..etc"- that bull needs to stop if we want there to be an egalitarian society.

    And while white progressive POS's bask in white guilt and condone seperatist behaviour in minority groups while expecting their own to rise above and swallow this PC garbage, this whole race thing isn't gonna be solved.

    Because you know what. I don't give a if we all hold hands, sing the same song, and act like there is no difference.

    I don't want equal results. I want a fair chance at life. And yes, discrimination and race still does affect alot of us from conquering some task we wish to aspire to. But we should confront those issues when they matter. This walmart thing is a scratch from a pebble on an otherwise totaled car we call "race relations".

    Stop being primadonas, limpwristed fruits, and oppurtunistic.

    All i want is respect. In your mind, i don't give a if you think i'm a dirty lazy . All i want is to make my money, and get some respect. your parties, your racial awareness.

    I just want to bbq, listened to my cultural music, and for you to fack off.
    It's every bit as dangerous to stereotype progressives, as you put it, as it is to stereotype different races. It's completely counterproductive and a big part of how these issues are allowed to continue. I merely suggested that people, regardless of their race, can and should be offended by the "prank" and you've used it to make several completely inaccurate assumptions about me and/or my position.

    I think white guilt is pointless. I think "colorblindness" is completely ineffectual. I certainly don't think that members of oppressed groups should be given carte blanche to hurl insults or slurs at members of privileged groups. I don't "condone separatist behavior," though I do think that people should be allowed/encouraged to socialize with whomever they choose -- friends shouldn't be made based on a quota system. And as much as I love and proudly embrace my Sicilian heritage/culture, I certainly would never advocate for the denial or modification of ethnic/national cultures.

    The only thing I've ever advocated -- in this thread, on these boards, or anywhere else -- is for ALL people to have completely equal access across the board, and against the singling out/ridiculing/discrimination against any one group of people based on a particular aspect of their iden y. That's it.

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    If you guys are serious and want to end this childish behavior and all the race bull then go after the real perpetrators.




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    It also cons utes anger and frustration. Getting pissed can lead to positive results in some cases.
    Really? Give me some examples. Using a perceived injustice to focus and make yourself better is positive, but getting pissed means irrational emotions usually come to the surface which lead to irrational decisions which are almost always bad. At the least, getting all pissed about something like this does nothing more than ruin your day and negatively impact your mood, in which case you just gave that person control over your emotions.

    It seems a lot of people have some sort of warped perception of reality being some nice place where everyone works together and gets along. In reality there are negative forces, prejudice, and challenges everywhere you turn, and if you easily let others guide your emotions they'll take advantage of that power over you. If something happens to me that I perceive is an injustice I try to think about it for a moment and decide what action will get results and what the consequences will be. If I weigh the action worth the consequences then I do it. If not I just move along and put it behind me. ing and getting mad does nothing. It takes a while to get used to reacting in this fashion but the closer you get to getting it down the better off you are.

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    I made this thread thinking it was funny.. got serious quick 3 Pages?

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    Really? Give me some examples. Using a perceived injustice to focus and make yourself better is positive, but getting pissed means irrational emotions usually come to the surface which lead to irrational decisions which are almost always bad. At the least, getting all pissed about something like this does nothing more than ruin your day and negatively impact your mood, in which case you just gave that person control over your emotions.

    It seems a lot of people have some sort of warped perception of reality being some nice place where everyone works together and gets along. In reality there are negative forces, prejudice, and challenges everywhere you turn, and if you easily let others guide your emotions they'll take advantage of that power over you. If something happens to me that I perceive is an injustice I try to think about it for a moment and decide what action will get results and what the consequences will be. If I weigh the action worth the consequences then I do it. If not I just move along and put it behind me. ing and getting mad does nothing. It takes a while to get used to reacting in this fashion but the closer you get to getting it down the better off you are.
    Rosa Parks is one although she may not have screamed and yelled. I'm sure there were some who called her an attention back in the day but things changed although they stayed the same. What some call ing and moaning others see as speaking out against injustice. That was the point I was trying to make.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    I made this thread thinking it was funny.. got serious quick 3 Pages?
    Wait until God comes into the picture.......

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    Wait until God comes into the picture.......
    I was going to say Tolerance and equality unless your religious views includes talking to God. Then singling out and ridicule is okay.

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    and that's not an easy task.
    sarcasm?

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    If you guys are serious and want to end this childish behavior and all the race bull then go after the real perpetrators.


    Hmmm


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    Maybe things are actually improving. So far, we haven't seen Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson showing up and holding a press conference.......

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    white people. I can't believe I am one.
    Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
    First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
    And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
    Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
    With the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
    Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
    Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
    So the mutants traveled North of the equator
    Called Europeans later, the first race haters
    So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta
    Cause history's best qualified to teach one
    Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
    "Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
    Migration created further mutation
    Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
    Adaptation to the climate
    As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
    Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
    That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
    With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
    Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf
    Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
    Those who travel West populated Europe
    Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans
    1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
    Created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
    A white dot on the forehead meant elite
    The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables
    They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
    That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
    Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
    Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
    The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
    But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination"
    Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
    It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
    Creatin geometry and astronomy
    This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
    Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
    Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African
    The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
    Meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
    Stole from first man, Greek power expands
    The first Greek fraternities band
    The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
    This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
    This was accepted because Greek culture was sexual
    For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
    Hence, the word lesbian (Ay let these dumb mother ers know)
    December 25th, the birth of Saturn
    A sexual god, now check the historical pattern
    December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
    Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
    ed each other then beat their wife
    Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas
    So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
    The enistic Era, Alexander the Great
    Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
    By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
    Succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
    But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
    The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
    The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
    In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
    Rome sold every citizen to slavery
    The first genocide of history
    And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
    "every woman's husband and every man's wife" (BEOTCH!)
    Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
    Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
    Cross? Aw, ! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
    Christians get your facts right
    Cause Christ was not his name
    That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
    Yahshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
    So who do you praise, do you know his name?
    Or do you do this in vain?
    Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
    Peep the description of historian Josephus
    "Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"
    He had the Romans fearing revolution
    The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
    After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
    These same white Romans established Christianity
    Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
    In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
    "In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
    In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
    And separated god into three
    Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
    And raised then on the third day is a myth
    Plus to deceive us
    Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
    He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
    Subconsciously that affects you
    It makes you put white people closer to God
    (Yo, 'The Man' got game like a mother er!)
    True indeed, it, Jihad
    In the eight century Muslims conquered
    Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
    They never mention this in history class
    Cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
    Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
    Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ
    On November 25th, 1491
    Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
    King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
    And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
    A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

    .. Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
    What you are actually celebratin
    Is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
    Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
    Sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
    To murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
    These Moors, these black men and women
    Were from Baghdad, Turkey
    And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
    As the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
    Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
    Now fight the power, you -ass z!

    Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
    That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
    But property, and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
    Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
    Stealin land from the indigenous natives
    Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
    Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
    But up until 1848 there's do ented cases
    Of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
    In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer
    They slaughtered a whole race with guns
    Drugs, priests and nuns
    1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
    As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
    Passed out clothin and blankets to the Indian community
    Infested with small pox, knowin they had no immunity
    Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made
    Cause ain't a damn thing changed.. let me explain
    Now since people of color are genetically dominant
    And Caucasoids are genetically recessive
    And Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
    They simply must, take precautions
    That's why they're worried about their future now
    'cause by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
    Will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
    (I'm sayin.. man.. them fools
    ain't nothin but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
    So they created a system
    To force blacks into an unnatural position
    That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
    In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
    That God justifies every in thing they do
    Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
    And every other culture considered primitive - not true!
    Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites
    In every areas of human relation
    Entertainment, education, labor, politics
    Law, religion, sex, war and economics
    See blacks were 3/5ths of a man with tax purposes intended
    You think you're Afro-American?
    You're a 14th amendment and a good
    Jews don't salute the in swastika
    But z pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
    They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
    But before slaves came here whites would take a
    Pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
    Slice her stomach with a knife
    And let the unborn baby fall to the flo'
    And stop an unborn child in front of all the slaves
    To inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
    And not rebel more
    Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
    I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
    "Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
    in such do ents as the Cons ution or Declaration
    the basic nature.. of the European American white man
    remains virtually unchanged".. so check
    This is the nature of the threat

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    They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
    That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
    That's not true at all.

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    youhave convinced me to hate whitey's!!!!!!!!!!!

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    He actually makes more than a few errors... but means aside, I generally agree with the over-arching theme and its implications about my ass race. (not that he necessarily lets black people off the hook either)

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    Maybe things are actually improving. So far, we haven't seen Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson showing up and holding a press conference.......
    What are you trying to say!?!?

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    The La Migra idea could be more effective at Home Depot. On second thought one might be trampled if that happened. Like George Lopez said it should be renamed Holmes Depot

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    Walmarts are magnets to all types. Take the bible belt for example.
    Walmarts in that area are meccas for toothless, NASCAR/WWF watching trailer trash crackers.

    Walmarts offer quick glimpses to this nations socio-economic make-up.


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    this don't happen at Target!

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    The La Migra idea could be more effective at Home Depot. On second thought one might be trampled if that happened. Like George Lopez said it should be renamed Holmes Depot

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    Who said I felt guilty about it?
    It is a logical conclusion, considering your position (that white people enjoy privileges at the detriment of other races). That's not exactly a 'popular' notion among whites, agreed? Peggy McIntosh touches on that concept.

    However, I have no reason to disbelieve you when you say you feel no guilt. Indeed, you exhibit convincing human compassion, but few are moved towards philanthropy without even the simplest and most innocent personal motives.

    I find the whole "white guilt" thing to be completely unproductive in creating any kind of social change. I do think it is important to recognize the way power/privilege/oppression works within our society and to recognize the ways in which we all are hurt and helped by that system based on various aspects of our iden y and at different times in our lives, but guilt does nothing.
    I agree that feeling guilty over yourself has nothing but negative implications. However, there are other signs that point to this being a subconscious shroud of guilt placed upon some whites - conditioned, if you will.

    Take the Invisible Knapsack, for instance.

    IMO, several of the items in the Invisible Knapsack are directly correlated, or even caused by, guilt. These items hold little relevance except as preconditioned responses to relatively unchanging ideas.

    Forgive the obscurity - This is a different argument. i'll save it for later.


    Guilt is not a necessary component in recognizing a need for change.
    What exactly do you think should change, and what are your underlying reasons?

    Privilege in general can mean any number of things, but is as often as not defined by the you just don't have to worry about: things that are granted you automatically. In terms of race, that can range from big things -- I live fairly assured of never being turned away from an apartment or a job based on my race, for example --
    A fair point. However, would you also consider yourself an attractive, intelligent female along with being "white"? Which quality would you deem more important when trying to impress something upon someone in these "big things"?


    to little things, like knowing that I can turn on the TV and see countless other people who look like me or that I can shop in any store without half the staff following/watching me.
    Another fair point on the TV, though mass media entertainment is actually a very diverse crowd in general, agreed? And with much more diversity in the fanbase?

    As for store owners/managers or dare I say, front line employees being prejudiced... well now, that's a lot more subjective than any of your previous standards. I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly; consumers are $$, not skin colors. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your contention?

    If you're genuinely interested in what I'm talking about, rather than just looking to argue, Peggy McIntosh's 1988 article, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," is generally seen as the defining text on the subject and is a pretty interesting read. That link above is a PDF.
    Can I be both?

    It's an interesting - and revealing - do ent, though not without perceived fault.

    There's a few items in the IK that seem "defensive" to me - a conditioned response or ideal stemming from unnecessary guilt. McIntosh's entire principle relies on conditioning and I think it could go both ways in some cases.

    But even this do ent is inconclusive, IMO, when it comes to whites receiving privileges at the detriment of others.
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    I don't see what the point of boycotting the Wal-Mart is, regardless of whether the one who did it was an employee or not.

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    white people. I can't believe I am one.
    White guilt cuck friend Balli, meet my freind oklahomasuckstexas..


    The only plausible reconcilliation is to have the white man give iver his wife and daughters to the black man and allow his women to serve the black man as proper reparations.

    Let's all have one big Licoln party.

    Geeeeeeeze ...

    i have a feeling your friendship will be benificial.

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    It is a logical conclusion, considering your position (that white people enjoy privileges at the detriment of other races). That's not exactly a 'popular' notion among whites, agreed? Peggy McIntosh touches on that concept.

    However, I have no reason to disbelieve you when you say you feel no guilt. Indeed, you exhibit convincing human compassion, but few are moved towards philanthropy without even the simplest and most innocent personal motives.



    I agree that feeling guilty over yourself has nothing but negative implications. However, there are other signs that point to this being a subconscious shroud of guilt placed upon some whites - conditioned, if you will.

    Take the Invisible Knapsack, for instance.

    IMO, several of the items in the Invisible Knapsack are directly correlated, or even caused by, guilt. These items hold little relevance except as preconditioned responses to relatively unchanging ideas.

    Forgive the obscurity - This is a different argument. i'll save it for later.




    What exactly do you think should change, and what are your underlying reasons?



    A fair point. However, would you also consider yourself an attractive, intelligent female along with being "white"? Which quality would you deem more important when trying to impress something upon someone in these "big things"?




    Another fair point on the TV, though mass media entertainment is actually a very diverse crowd in general, agreed? And with much more diversity in the fanbase?

    As for store owners/managers or dare I say, front line employees being prejudiced... well now, that's a lot more subjective than any of your previous standards. I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly; consumers are $$, not skin colors. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your contention?



    Can I be both?

    It's an interesting - and revealing - do ent, though not without perceived fault.

    There's a few items in the IK that seem "defensive" to me - a conditioned response or ideal stemming from unnecessary guilt. McIntosh's entire principle relies on conditioning and I think it could go both ways in some cases.

    But even this do ent is inconclusive, IMO, when it comes to whites receiving privileges at the detriment of others.
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