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  1. #51
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    Cute cop out after being proven wrong.
    I wasn't proven wrong. Never claimed Nash assisted every one of his buckets. But he was getting easy penetration with Fisher on him all game. You know how basketball works, right? PG gets interior penetration and the PF/C leaves their man to help.

    That's how Amare gets most of his points. Nash penetration and feeds off the p/r. He would still be productive without Nash just not nearly as effective or efficient offensively. He would still suck terribly on D no matter what team you put him on though.

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    I wasn't proven wrong. Never claimed Nash assisted every one of his buckets. But he was getting easy penetration with Fisher on him all game. You know how basketball works, right? PG gets interior penetration and the PF/C leaves their man to help.

    That's how Amare gets most of his points. Nash penetration and feeds off the p/r. He would still be productive without Nash just not nearly as effective or efficient offensively. He would still suck terribly on D no matter what team you put him on though.
    Indeed you've got your brain cells ed up with insomnia haven't you? or you just aren't american but a ing re living in some penurious Asian or African country? You sound re ed anyway.

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    I wasn't proven wrong. Never claimed Nash assisted every one of his buckets. But he was getting easy penetration with Fisher on him all game. You know how basketball works, right? PG gets interior penetration and the PF/C leaves their man to help.

    That's how Amare gets most of his points. Nash penetration and feeds off the p/r. He would still be productive without Nash just not nearly as effective or efficient offensively. He would still suck terribly on D no matter what team you put him on though.

    That's how Amare used to get most his points. Now most of his points come off iso plays and 2nd chance points. A year ago (for that matter prior to the AS break) I'd be with you 100%, Amare was dependent off pick and rolls and was one dimensional. There's a reason I was calling him out for it then and I'm not now. This was evident by Amare's piss poor performances last year when Nash didn't play (12 points, 4-11 shooting, 5 rebounds against Sacramento and 14 points, 6-10 shooting, 6 rebounds against the Heat for example). This year, in Amare's 1 game without Nash, he dropped 30 on a top 10 defensive team and had 5 offensive rebounds. Post AS break Amare has actually been better with Nash off the court because it's easier for him to get the ball on the block rather than have to run pick and rolls.

    Individual player defensive rating is a whack ass stat that if anything makes Amare look better at defense than he really is. Amare's 2007 defensive rating was 103. Bruce Bowen's 2007 defensive rating was 103. Does that mean 2007 Amare = 2007 Bowen on defense? Another example is according to that stat, Luke Walton has been a better defender than Artest this year.

    As for Amare on D, there's truth to the fact that Amare will never be a great defender, but his bad defense against LA had a lot more to do with Gentry's re ed gameplan to conceed post position to Pau and Bynum and focus on stopping Kobe. Besides, Bynum got most of his points off Lopez. Bad defense was a team wide problem against LA, Amare wasn't any worse than his teammates. If everyone on the Suns showed up to play like Amare did they probably win the game.

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    Since the All-Star Break, Amare is the best PF in the league.
    Never will that happen

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    It's funny how you act like shooting 45% against the Lakers equates to dominating though; especially when the opposing starting frontcourt shot 65%. And yes, Nash was the one drawing multiple defenders with dribble penetration which led to Amare getting those second chance points.
    In the first quarter, Amare had 17 points off 6-10 shooting, 3 offensive rebounds and 5-5 free throw shooting. After that, LA keyed in on him more and packed the paint which opened up the court for perimeter players to have wide open shots. None of their perimeter players decided to show up to the game and kept missing the wide open shots. After that Amare began to force the issue and settle for jumpers, causing a drop in FG%.

    And considering Steve Trash got outplayed by Derek Fisher, I have no idea why you're all over his sack talking about all the chaos he supposedly caused. That's probably the thing that makes the least sense to me about your whole argument. Nash was a useful doll against LA who was 10x worse and defense than Amare was and couldn't do jack against Derek Fisher.

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    Never will that happen
    It's happening right now, brah.

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    Amare can't be stopped right now.

    Beast-mode is activated.

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    Amare was unbeavable tonight.

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    Amare was unbeavable tonight.

    Wrong, NASH WON THE GAME!!!

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    Wrong, NASH WON THE GAME!!!
    The only reason Amare was scoring was because Nash was spoon feeding him.

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    Wasn't the only reason but it helps. Great advantage having a great PnR player like Steve Nash to run your sets with to get easy baskets like he was tonight.

    Toward the end Golden St. had no answer for Nash's pinpoint passes to Stat and they milked it, nothing wrong with that, just the 2-time MVP making the plays he's supposed to make.

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    Wasn't the only reason but it helps. Great advantage having a great PnR player like Steve Nash to run your sets with to get easy baskets like he was tonight.

    Toward the end Golden St. had no answer for Nash's pinpoint passes to Stat and they milked it, nothing wrong with that, just the 2-time MVP making the plays he's supposed to make.
    This. Which game did you watch? In the game I saw Amare was posting up and isolating against Anthony Tolliver during crunch time, thats why they won. Not because Nash was creating for Amare. Amare took over the game down the stretch, he looked like a real beast out there. Maybe you should re watch the game to see what I'm talking about.

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    horrible trolling attempt picc

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    Got some good laughs.

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    Got some good laughs.
    I figured

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    Off topic but you can officially put Serge Ibaka on the list of "Great, Phoenix sold the draft pick that led to him, too?" Dude shut Duncan down tonight and made big plays down the stretch to keep OKC in it. An Amare-Ibaka front court would look damn good

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    Ibaka went 2006 Desagana Diop on the boy Timmy.

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