Splitter Tears Hamstring (January 2009)

[mogrovejo]

Panionios has beat Dynamo, Khimki, PAO, Efes, Partizan, Real Madrid already this year. Yes they are better than DKV Joventut.

Spain league is not deep league anymore. You live in past. In fact Italy league is probably deeper than Spain league. Spain league has 5 good teams. That is it. Even Pamesa and Bilbao are not good teams. A team even like Panellinios would crush them rather easily and Panionios and Maroussi are better than Panellinios.

Let me give you some understanding. Budget of team like TAU is $15-$20 millions, budget of Aris is $18 million. Aris is considered in this time maybe 5th-6h best team in Greece.

Of course overall Spain league is better than Greece. But you cannot say like Spain is so much better and there is only 2 good teams in Greece and so many good ones in Spain. Because this is bull by a lot.

5 good teams in Spain and 6 good teams in Greece. Overall Spain a little bit better than Greece.

And when exactly has the power balance shifted?

Last season Tau and Aris were in the same Euroleague Top-16 group, IIRC. Tau easily won it, Aris was probably dead last.

Last season Panionios and Pamesa played each other at the Uleb Cup Top32. Pamesa advanced. In fact, the only team to eliminate a spanish team post quarter finals was... another spanish team. The final was obviously played between... 2 spanish teams.

There's no comparison whatsover between the average quality of the ACB and every other European league. I don't care about the alleged budge of Greek teams. What's Larissas' budged for this season?

[Manufan909]

So is that like American college football, where there are alot of different big games to play besides the POs?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Any video highlights mogrovejo? And I wish I knew who to believe, I can't wait til I can actually follow Euro bball.

I can get highlights. Believe me. He is like all other fans mostly. Everyone just say how Spain league is so great and is bull . Spain league is a little better barely then Greece.

domestic leagues is like

1. Spain
2. Greece
3. Russia
4. Italy
5. Adriatic
6. Turkey
7. Israel

These are better leagues. Other ones for ULEB region all sucks. Spain and Greece is very close to each other. Russia and Italy is also close to each other but is a bit far from Spain and Greece. Adriatic and Turkey is close to each other and Israel a bit far from them.

In recent time Spain and Italy league is dropping, Russia and Greece is getting better. Turkey and Israel is about same in recent years. Adriatic league was once best in Europe and is making big improvement in last year or so again and maybe can move up past Russia because of economic issues in Russia.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Spanish Kings Cup championship

Unicaja 98 - TAU 100

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1464

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1465

final minute in game

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1460

extra period

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1462

Mirza Teletovic Spanish Kings Cup MVP

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1461

[mogrovejo]

I can get highlights. Believe me. He is like all other fans mostly.

Yeah, that's true: my POV is pretty much consensual amongst basketball fans. There's a reason for that... a very obvious one...

Yeah, Baskonia is having a great season. Dusko is the man, the guy is a buffoon but he keeps delivering the pork.

[Manufan909]

Thanks, KBP!!!

[mogrovejo]

Highlights from the semi-finals game TAU vs. Barça:

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1452

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1453

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And when exactly has the power balance shifted?

Last season Tau and Aris were in the same Euroleague Top-16 group, IIRC. Tau easily won it, Aris was probably dead last.

Last season Panionios and Pamesa played each other at the Uleb Cup Top32. Pamesa advanced. In fact, the only team to eliminate a spanish team post quarter finals was... another spanish team. The final was obviously played between... 2 spanish teams.

There's no comparison whatsover between the average quality of the ACB and every other European league. I don't care about the alleged budge of Greek teams. What's Larissas' budged for this season?

You know nothing about Euro basketball at all.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yeah, that's true: my POV is pretty much consensual amongst basketball fans. There's a reason for that... a very obvious one...

Yeah, Baskonia is having a great season. Dusko is the man, the guy is a buffoon but he keeps delivering the pork.

You do not know wtf you talk about on levels of teams and leagues in Europe.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So is that like American college football, where there are alot of different big games to play besides the POs?

There is like this

teams plays in national league and in this league is regular season and then playoffs. Then teams plays in national cups. This is for usually best 8 teams in each country. These national cups is single elimination games of 8 teams like last 8 of NCAA basketball. This is what we are talking of here for Spain Kings cup.

Then there is European compe ions. There is 3 levels. First level is Euroleague. Second level is Eurocup. Third level is Eurochallenge. Eurochallenge is FIBA and first two levels is ULEB.

Most all clubs in Europe do not even qualify to ever compete in these leagues. Anyway say Euroleague is as example regular season and round robin and also there playoffs and then it ends as final four like NCAA final four.

There is also some regional compe ions. Like in Spain is Catalan region compe ion and in Greece is one for Thessaloniki. This is just between local clubs of one area of country or even one city.

Then there is also some countries have Super Cup. Like Italy and Spain has Super Cups. This is where winner of national championship and winner of national cup plays each other. And then this winner wins nationals Super Cup. Of course cannot be played if same team wins both league and cup.

[Manufan909]

Cool. So KBP, how would you grade Tiago's performance today?

[Manufan909]

Highlights from the semi-finals game TAU vs. Barça:

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1452

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1453

, I can't watch them.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Cool. So KBP, how would you grade Tiago's performance today?

I did not watch game. But it seem he was in foul trouble in bench at key parts of game. I was watch PAO and Olympiacos game which was most important game of day.

[Thompson]

Hey guys, Draft express will be posting some info on Splitter tommorow about his NBA status. Just thought I would let you know.

What could it possibly be? He's already been drafted, and his rights are held by San Antonio.

...Unless Splitter decided to come over ASAP and there's some sort of buyout this summer. Or maybe the Spurs were able to convince Tau to buy out his contract now because he wants to help us out this year, and he's coming over now!!!

Anyone know if Mahinmi will be anywhere near game shape when he comes back in a few weeks?

[mogrovejo]

You know nothing about Euro basketball at all.

You do not know wtf you talk about on levels of teams and leagues in Europe.

Ad hominem arguments are uncivilized. Quite telling though.

[objective]

What could it possibly be? He's already been drafted, and his rights are held by San Antonio.

From the way the promo for the next blog was written, it will just be a summary of the players whose rights are held and how they are playing, it mentioned Splitter, Vasquez, Ilyasova and Freeland.

Probably nothing new to anyone who is a Spurs fan, though it could pile on about how Splitter is so successful and the money is so great that he'll never be a Spur.

So if you want good news, don't check back in on this thread for what the update will be.

[objective]

DX did the exact same thing for last year's Copa Del Rey when it broke down players whose rights were held at the time, including Splitter, Fernandez and Marc Gasol. Just scouting reports.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-del-Rey-2539/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ad hominem arguments are uncivilized. Quite telling though.

Sure they are but when you bring nothing to the other side of the argument to counter then they are all that is needed.

[Thompson]

Hey guys, Draft express will be posting some info on Splitter tommorow about his NBA status. Just thought I would let you know.

So what did they post? I don't see anything on his profile page.

[mogrovejo]

Sure they are but when you bring nothing to the other side of the argument to counter then they are all that is needed.

Well, I'm pretty comfortable with sustaining my argument that the Greek League is not as strong as the Spanish one with the fact that Spanish teams routinely beat Greek teams when they face each other in continental compe ions. Unless we're talking another factors, like the fans attending games, the organization, MSM and TV exposure, lower leagues system, etc - and in those aspects, the gap is even wider.

Greek League is respectable, but they basically have two giants who would fight for the le in the ACB, a few middle-class teams who would fight for the playoffs and the rest of the field would struggle to win more than a couple of games.

[Agloco]

They don't make hamstrings like this anymore.....

[picnroll]

The article on Splitter and draftexpress finally appeared.

ttp://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Blogging-through-the-Copa-del-Rey-Part-Three--3120

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well, I'm pretty comfortable with sustaining my argument that the Greek League is not as strong as the Spanish one with the fact that Spanish teams routinely beat Greek teams when they face each other in continental compe ions. Unless we're talking another factors, like the fans attending games, the organization, MSM and TV exposure, lower leagues system, etc - and in those aspects, the gap is even wider.

Greek League is respectable, but they basically have two giants who would fight for the le in the ACB, a few middle-class teams who would fight for the playoffs and the rest of the field would struggle to win more than a couple of games.

And again you have no facts.

4-5 good teams in Spain only. That is it. It is a little bit better than Greece league. That is it.

And obviously you have NEVER seen most Spanish or Greek clubs play.

[mogrovejo]

Spain league is not deep league anymore. You live in past. In fact Italy league is probably deeper than Spain league. Spain league has 5 good teams. That is it. Even Pamesa and Bilbao are not good teams. A team even like Panellinios would crush them rather easily

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/ule...e?gamecode=155

http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/ule...e?gamecode=153

Holly cow, this is scary. You write this and one year later Pamesa and Bilbao play Panellinios and obviously beat them easily. Geez, you're the most unlucky predictor I've ever seen in my entire life. It's like you're the anti-Midas of basketball predictions.

ps - sorry for the bump. I thought this was in the NBA forum. Splitter is perfectly healthy, this is old news.

[angelbelow]

What MVP did Manu win, the Italian League?

spanish league i think