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founding fathers: liberty for all and tyranny sucks. hey darky get back to the plantation!
I'm not sure SNC will have an explaination for his inclusion of Socrates, perhaps a direct challenge can get you some attention?
founding fathers: liberty for all and tyranny sucks. hey darky get back to the plantation!
I think he was making a point that all the Greeks owned slaves in the house who did numerous tasks like cooking, cleaning, and all that.
what does "plastic knowledge of things" mean?Why thank you Blake but still not as lame as your plastic knowledge of things.
sounds like a term you made up on your own. lame.
I'm glad nobody has said USA should put all black people on a boat back to Africa with a few dollars in their pockets so that they can have a better life than the one they have now. That would be racist and wrong. Shows how far this site, our country has come.
Heard the joke back in 2002 when Osama bin Ladin died and was met by the same group and St. Peter says, 'Oh, I thought you said Vir-GINIANS.'
Doesn't work quite as well in your usage.
Well, all I have left to say is if the Founding Fathers treated Obama likes this, I'd hate to see what would happen to GW.
don't you think their morals lead them to put that in there?
Socrates would never had become what he is to society if it weren't for Plato, who thought slavery to be a natural part of life.
My comment dealt with the alleged hypocrisy.
Okay, but it probably lead them to put it in there, but not to actually follow that principle.
So Plato thought slavery was a natural part of life? What does that have to do with what Socrates thought? They are two different people.
Yeah I should have put Plato instead of Socrates.
Interesting how conservatives revere the founders of this country...and leftists despise them.
"Oh...we don't despise them, but they weren't as great as you conservatives think."
Your probably right...they were much greater.
...and so it goes.
What's wrong with criticizing certain aspects of a leader? Are you saying it's better to blindly follow your leaders, never acknowledging their weak points?
Lincoln, for instance, was an awesome President. I still don't agree with his abandonment of habeas corpus.
It seems so many are completely dismissing our founding fathers, and not just being critical of them.
Perhaps some do that. I personally revere peope like George Washington, and wish others would read more about his political stances.
I don't hold slavery against the Founding Fathers as much as some people do. I'm sure there's a chance that future generations will look at some of the things that OUR generation does, like the way livestock are caged/fed in meat production, that will abhor them.
So now you're back to saying people were completely dismissing them? I thought you said you understood the criticism was made in the context of the parameters Galileo set and rejected it as such. Which is it?
Does it make you mad when people laud Lincoln for freeing the slaves, but criticize the losses caused by the civil war he began? Or that Sherman was a great general, but he ed up burning down Georgia? Nobody's perfect.
Interesting that board conservatives are stupid overgeneralizing hypocritical idiots.
It seems board conservatives demand that others worship those men they worship or they completely dismiss them.
...and so it goes.
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This wino wonders how welcome the Holy Card-ish reverence some self-described conservatives wish to bestow, would've been to the founders .
Well, Sherman is far and away my favorite Civil War general. But that might be because I simply hate the South and I secretly hope to be as despised as he is in the South today, especially Atlanta.
But after the Civil War I don't look kindly on his actions of annihilating native americans.
Sorry to keep breaking your balls, but unless you suddenly took up the Classics, I call BS.
Plato didn't write much on the subject for there to be much scholastic consensus on the issue of his opinion of slavery (a few things here and there in the Laws, which are easily his least influential writings) and considering you never took a logic course, I'm guessing you never took a philosophy class, either. All to say I'm almost positive you're referencing Mogrojevo's citation of Aristotle's Politics in a discussion a month or two back, not anything by Plato.
Eh, it's much easier to drop names. If challenged, deny, if that doesn't work, just cut 'n' paste. Ding fries are done.
Or an incoherent rant against someone you don't like instead of disagreeing with an actual position. Then when shown to be a moron, blame alcohol.
I didn't read Mogrojevo's post or just don't remember if I am citing it. I read somewhere that by Plato's death, he had 5 slaves. Also, I thought that everything we have of plato is through socrates' writing. That is why I originally put socrates.
I found it funny that there was a college class called logic. You assumption is wrong however, I took philosophy classes, as part of my degree.
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