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unless the defender is giving you all the contact he would give a low post player anyways
you're both talking abut usual norms, I'm talking about what I thought I saw in this particular game
One thing that made Duncan look worse was that all his touches came in the post and he rarely faced up. He's just not going to succeed against this team with his back to the basket. He's got to face up and take them off the dribble like he did on the first possession of the 2nd half.
unless the defender is giving you all the contact he would give a low post player anyways
you're both talking abut usual norms, I'm talking about what I thought I saw in this particular game
Tim's been having a monster series up until tonight, so I'm going to chalk it up to being an outlier unless shown otherwise in subsequent games. Man, it's nice to see the Spurs win a game they had no business being in with the entire big 3 looking way off tonight.
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Yup..
His success in this series against their defenders has been primarily from facing up..his post ups weren't successful in the 1st 3 games either, even though he was having good games..
He doesn't have any advantages against Damp and Haywood in the post IMO(although he could push Haywood around a little)..
The question then is what he was doing doubling off Terry at all? Surely the one guy you should stay at home on against the Mavs, especially when they needed 3s, is Terry. That is about all I can say to criticize the Spurs D tonight though, because it was incredible all night. 2005 level. Just totally
I will also say that, before those lapses, TP had played tough, in your face D, especially on Kidd, and helped to keep him out of the game yet again.
He was. So was Duncan. The refs let them play, and didn't step on the game any more than they had to. It's never a matter of expecting the refs to get every call right - just let them be fairly consistent on both ends of the floor.
If you have the game recorded, look at around the 2:00 mark of the 4th quarter. Jason Terry is lining up a 3-pointer from the corner, and George Hill is attempting to box out Eric Dampier under the basket. Caron Butler ran up and shoved Hill so hard from behind that he slammed into Dampier, and both of them fell out the end of the court. Ridiculous, unnecessary, and obvious.
The point is, the refs were letting both teams play hard, and both benefitted from it.
Parker always seems to take it personal against Kidd defensively IMO..
I think Duncan will bounce back next game, he didn't really seem tired to me just seemed like he didn't have his touch. He looked energetic on the bench when he was cheering blair and others, and seemed to be going ok on defense, I think one point he messed up Jason Kidd's shot on a 3 attempt.
Glad to see Hill prosper and loved the commentators on TNT noting how hard he worked in the off season and worked on learning how to defend like bowen.
Ever since 2003 yup.
No one can convince me that he doesn't take it personal ever since that summer.
Look the stats suggest that Dirk got to the free throw line every other time he shot the ball... and you're saying refs weren't fair to him. I'm merely pointing towards the Spurs star player who got to the free throw line one in every four shots he took, taking them in a place where there's more physical contact to get up a shot.
I watched the game too, not just pointing out stats, I thought there was some serious "playoff basketball" going on for a change but Dirk got some calls and one or two that weren't even fouls. The home team will always get SOME calls in the playoffs, but it wasn't like it affected the game, slowed the game down or were outright phantom calls like you get up in Dallas.
Mavs played well, Spurs made some big shots, and that's that.
I think this is the new Spurs. The big three will have more off games then they used to but we have a better supporting cast to balance it out. Tim had one bad game. He's been playing big minutes. Doesn't mean he's done for good. He will just have an off game here and there.
Yeah again, he rotated to shooters well especially on that play forcing an airball from Kidd.
He was supposedly exhausted and got 6 more rebounds than he did in game 3.
Amazing.
Here's my commentary on George and Grizzly so far this series:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152303
Let's face it our big 3 just didn't have their heads in the game. For whatever reasons. The final stressfull minute came down to Manu not calling a time out and getting hung up for a jump ball and then Timmy not calling a time out and throwing the ball the length of the court on what was just a bad decision. In the meantime I'm chunking down nexiums like crazy.
tim will be fine, jesus hes a pro athlete i think he can play without him needing a wheelchair, calm down everyone. and manu struggling and tim has to do with mavs probably having one of the biggest bruiser centers in the west playoffs in damp and haywood and perimeter defenders in marion and caron. if we win advance into the next round theres no one on the suns that can defend duncan or manu. thats if the suns win.
Blair was great tonight. I knew he could start making those shots around the hoop. I agree - his physical presence was huge. With Hill hitting from outside and Blair waging World War Three in the post, the Mavs were unprepared to respond. With this game hopefully Blair earned more minutes for game 5.
Also, curious if Stern fines anyone for this game. I could see them fining Eduardo but then feeling compelled to fine a Spur to somehow make things fair, as ridiculous as it sounds. Either way, the rivalry is back.
Manu was slapped on the arm by Jet for no call, but yeah, that was a strange decision.
As for Tim's throw, I could see his thinking. A time out is not always a good call because it gives the D time to set up, and with 1.5 seconds to go all he needed to do was get the ball inbounds and away from his end of the court. A little odd though, I will admit.
Hopefully that Suns/Blazers series goes every BIT of 7 games and we close things out Tuesday. The HUGE positive from tonight is that we took what might have been the best shot the Mavs had and we have experience in THIS series stomping them out on the road. Nothing's guaranteed, but I say this to say that the team is prepared for whatever happens at either end of the spectrum.
Well, to be fair, while Duncan is a great passer, he makes bonehead outlet passes all the time..
a second left, he threw it the length of the court away from the basket to a streaking Manu. if Manu taps it in the air ahead of Terry's slapping it, game was over then.
Manu got freaking fouled on that play in the corner, happened literally right in front of me and freaking I think Butler and Kidd were on the trap, slapped the out of his arms.
Yeah end it tuesday and then hopefully Phoenix and Portland beat the living crap out each other for 7 games wearing each other out...
I wouldn't say that was Dallas's best game either BUT, thats the best IMO Butler and Marion are gonna play.
Dirk will shoot more than 10 times as well tuesday I'd bet.
cough *game3outlettogeorgehillup8*
Dallas played us the best they had for the series imo (we were in it for Game 1 but the whistles altered that). Barea was effective, Terry was scoring, and Butler and Marion were even involved early in this game.....not to mention we came out sluggish. It was a perfect storm for Dallas, particularly on the road. Doesn't mean they won't come out like gangbusters Tuesday night, but barring the majority of the roster being in double digits, we're prepared for anything else they can throw at us.
I don't think the Spurs as a team have been this physical since 99. Hill, Dice, and Blair play physical. Even RJ got a flagrant tonight. Great to see the team as a whole not backing down. It's a good sign, the Mavs are probably getting rattled.
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