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    Is that what they told you in Victoria, Texas?
    Roddy b might be an instant transition machine, but he's not capable of playing team defense being a rookie and he will get out muscled by hill, parker or Ginobili. Terry actually does a decent job on parker. Roddy showed jack when he did get playoff minutes. Barea does the same thing he does, has more experience and will ballhog less.

    edit: about the same, and that's from watching him come in.

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    Roddy b might be an instant transition machine, but he's not capable of playing team defense being a rookie and he will get out muscled by hill, parker or Ginobili. Terry actually does a decent job on parker. Roddy showed jack when he did get playoff minutes. Barea does the same thing he does, has more experience and will ballhog less.
    I agree Terry is decent when it comes to defending 1's. Makes it hard for me to understand why he can't get the backup PG minutes over Barea.

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    You havnt watched the Mavs play this year. He has been lights out in every aspect. The dude blocks shots like an animal too.
    LOL x10000 i know 6'0 dudes that block shots like monsters in intramurals against 6'6 grizzly dunkers. Don't mean .

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    I agree Terry is decent when it comes to defending 1's. Makes it hard for me to understand why he can't get the backup PG minutes over Barea.
    TBH, at this stage, I believe Carslile will definitely stick with what he believes in, which means plenty of minutes for JJ...

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    TBH, at this stage, I believe Carslile will definitely stick with what he believes in, which means plenty of minutes for JJ...
    When Kidd sits, he should stick Terry at the 1 and either Butler or Stevenson at the 2. I hope they don't pick up Barea's option so we're forced to go with another option for the backup 1 next year.

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    Carlisle is out if we dont win this series. Any worthy replacements? I can think of byron scott, darrell armstrong, pj carlesimo..

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    I agree Terry is decent when it comes to defending 1's. Makes it hard for me to understand why he can't get the backup PG minutes over Barea.
    eh.. it's just a label. Terry guards parker any chance they are both in the game.

    barea is so last year. Not saying he can't have another monster year, people forget Roger Mason is no longer the starting SG. Roddy B would be great, but the spurs will counter with Temple guarding kidd, parker guarding booby, and hill guarding terry. WHile that's not the perfect band aid defense, the athletic abilities are negated in each matchup and the mavs still suck at halfcourt offense.

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    lol Byron Scott

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    WHile that's not the perfect band aid defense, the athletic abilities are negated in each matchup and the mavs still suck at halfcourt offense.
    I know Kidd had a turn back the clock year and was really a plus for us, but the Spurs in this series have really defanged him by closing out hard on him so he can't get those open looks from three. He's forced to put the ball on the floor and then refuses to shoot because he knows he's going to throw up bricks. San Antonio has gummed up the works for our offense by taking away Kidd. That's why I think they can live with what Dirk is doing, because we can't consistently generate good looks in half-court sets by turning Kidd into a scoring liability. If we get eliminated, we really have to think long and hard about how he fits into this team since he has another two years left on his deal. Perhaps he's only worthy of 30 mpg next year, with Roddy getting 18 mpg at the 1 and an Iguodala/Joe Johnson type at the 2.

    When you have a lineup of Kidd/Butler/Marion/Dirk/Damp together, that's only two guys that can create their own shot, and only one of whom can do it efficiently. I know Haywood doesn't guard Duncan well, but at this point you have to get more offense, and Haywood can catch a pass in traffic and finish. The best defense against Duncan is to make him play some and get into an up-tempo game.

    I would think our best 5-man units at this point are:

    Kidd/Terry/Marion/Dirk/Haywood

    Kidd/Butler/Marion/Dirk/Haywood

    Kidd/Terry/Butler/Dirk/Haywood

    I'd like to see heavy doses of those starting tomorrow

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    Carlisle is out if we dont win this series. Any worthy replacements? I can think of byron scott, darrell armstrong, pj carlesimo..
    You mav fans are wads. None of the coaches have been the problem. Carlisle is a good coach as was avery.

    The biggest flaw in your team is Nowitzki.

    When a 7'2 blonde vagina prematurely ejaculates by fist pumping after shooting a fade away over nate robinson, that kind of at ude trickles down to Terry, Butler, Barea, Dampier, and any scrub who manages to sink a fluke three.


    Let me get this clear, Dirk's talent's not the issue, he's a great player, a once in a generation type. It's his professional at ude. He celebrates way too much, peaks way too early and when the going gets tough, he's down like Cobain after a heroin binge. This guy needs to change his mentality and have a balanced mindset. Kidd may celebrate, but his actions are more controlled.


    Kidd, Carlisle and Terry are not your problems.

    If the howard trade had occurred in the beggning of the season, haywood and butler would have had time to learn the offense and defense, and this series would have been tied or possibly in the mavs favor.

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    Carlisle is out if we dont win this series. Any worthy replacements? I can think of byron scott, darrell armstrong, pj carlesimo..
    Carlisle is most definitely not out after the Mavs get eliminated. And all 3 of those choices are terrible.

    Dwane Casey or Del Harris. But it doesn't matter because Carlisle isn't going anywhere.

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    Paul Silas.

    On the other hand, maybe there's no hope of winning a championship because your star player celebrates too much, too soon.

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    On the other hand, maybe there's no hope of winning a championship because your star player celebrates too much, too soon.


    I detect sarcasm.

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    Roddy B is more important to this mavs team than george hill is to the spurs.. and you saw hill in game 4.

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    lol Dirk's problem isn't the way he celebrates, it's the fact that he has the physical imposibility of moving sideways or jumping very high (add to that the fact that he isn't one of the toughest bigmen out there) which makes him a liability on the defensive end. And although he is one of the greatest offensive players right now, his tendency to rely on jumpshots comes out to bit him in the ass at the most inoportun moments

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    It's funny to see Dirk discussed as The Problem with this team, when he's been the best player in the series, and when the Mavs are a 30-52 team without him.

    How on Earth were the Spurs able to overcome the stinkbombs put up by Duncan and Ginobili yesterday? They were worse than Dirk.

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    Paul Silas.

    On the other hand, maybe there's no hope of winning a championship because your star player celebrates too much, too soon.
    Laugh, but that kind of at ude kills composure and focus. There is a root problem of why this guy has to celebrate after every fadeaway over becky hammon or ernie smith, he is very insecure and every shot is a confirmation of his ability that he needs. Look at kobe, he sinks one in, he might grin, or do something y but he holds that bull till the 4th, and even then it's a controlled killer fist clench. Kobe has an assasins reaction, just like duncan. They both know that the game isn't over until that buzzer ends.

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    It's funny to see Dirk discussed as The Problem with this team, when he's been the best player in the series, and when the Mavs are a 30-52 team without him.

    How on Earth were the Spurs able to overcome the stinkbombs put up by Duncan and Ginobili yesterday? They were worse than Dirk.
    If you're talking about my comment, I didn't say Dirk was the problem for the Mavs (he indeed has been the best player of this series), I'm just talking about what imho are Dirk's historical problems.

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    It's funny to see Dirk discussed as The Problem with this team, when he's been the best player in the series, and when the Mavs are a 30-52 team without him.

    How on Earth were the Spurs able to overcome the stinkbombs put up by Duncan and Ginobili yesterday? They were worse than Dirk.
    It's funny that you think anyone one on here was attacking his talent.

    Talent to put the ball in a hoop is good, but it won't guarantee that you do the same once the symptoms of arrythmia and anxiety set in during a tough situation. You only have to look at the Golden St and miami series to realize how bad composure has cost this team a chance to make it big.

    There is a phenomena known as the "bedroom guitarist" who can whail and shred in the comfort of his bedroom but once he appears on stage, his uncontrolled nervouse tension doesn't allow him to play with the proper technique and skill because his body is not in control, thus he can barely squeek out a line and folds.

    Music, Sports, Public Speaking are all performance arts. Anxiety is a culprit to the delaying of success in either arena, and the best way to combat performance anxiety is to be controlled, breath properly and not exert excessive energy or get worked up. Dirk is way too emotional, and while some people can handle it, he can't. Peja stoyakavich could sink shots from anywhere but when it comes to adversity he tends to brick.( now he may have another underlying cause of his trouble, but we suffer in different ways).

    Dirk's unearned celebratory gestures lull him into a false sense of security, that's why he and his copycats underperform in clutch situations.

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    So Dirk's supposed overcelebrating of even routine plays is to blame for the Mavs playoff woes?

    If that's the case, how in the did a trio of Garnett/Allen/Pierce win an NBA championship?

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    If you're talking about my comment, I didn't say Dirk was the problem for the Mavs (he indeed has been the best player of this series), I'm just talking about what imho are Dirk's historical problems.
    Well they came within 2-3 possessions of winning a le in 2006 with a "jumpshooter" as their best player. Close, but not enough. The fact of the matter is that at any given time there are 8-12 "franchise" players in the league and Dirk has been one of them.

    We could do a post-mortem on each and every post-season exit, but I'll sum it up like this:

    2001-2004: Young team in a conference where the Lakers and Spurs were better and more seasoned, not good enough defensively under Nellie, ran into some bad luck in 2003 with Dirk's injury, etc.

    2005-2007: Improved defensively while Dirk molded into his prime. The problem here is that Dirk was a #1 option on a team that had some good #3 options but not a solid #2. Howard came close to fulfilling that #2 role in 2006 and 2007, which is why they made a Finals and followed it up with a great regular season. They lost three Finals games by a total of 6 points, so that's just as much a function of chance as it is one team being better than the other. The same ethos that says Point Differential is a greater predictor of playoff success than W-L records also holds that close games decided by 5 points or less are essentially coin-flip affairs. The Mavs had a championship-caliber team in 2006 but ultimately came away empty.

    2007-present: The Gasol trade changed the landscape of the West and caused the Mavs to alter their iden y with the Kidd trade and a coaching change. It took them a full year to incorporate Kidd into the roster and develop a new iden y.

    As it stands now, they are still a 50-win team, but they remind me of the Jazz towards the end of the Malone/Stockton Era. Their last bullet in the chamber is the Dampier/Butler/Stevenson/Barea contracts this summer.

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    Heres what I would do if I was that , to at least give the Mavs a chance at a comeback.

    1. Haywood starts. I don't give a about all this bull "ohhh Damp is a better Duncan defender". People are under this false impression from last years playoffs. They fail to remember, however, that Duncan was banged up. I have seen Haywood do a great job against Duncan at times during this series. Also Duncan has to actually do something on D when Haywood is out there. Damp gives us nothing. No that is not an exaggeration, Damp has literally given us nothing in terms of offense. He has no ing field goals the entire series. Another plus of starting Haywood is that he gets more PT with Kidd, which is a lot better than attempting to ball with Shorty Gonzales. Also, giving Haywood the start will pump him up. A energized Haywood does wonders for this team.

    2. More Roddy B. No more JJB at SG. Roddy should get 15 minutes on Tuesday. Why the not? What do you have to lose? Get him out there. The Mavs lack easy buckets and Roddy is a one man fast break. If Roddy starts playing well and Jet and/or Caron isn't, give him some of their minutes. Roddy could be our answer to George Hill.

    3. More Marion. Even though he was playing great offense in game 4, he was still benched in the 4th. Inexcusable. We need our defenders out there. The offense in the 4th should be run primarily through Dirk anyway, bringing me to my next point.

    4. Keep giving the mother ing ball to Dirk. I think he only had like 5 shots midway through the third quarter. Dirk is always talking about how he hates long rests, so I assume long periods of getting ignored on offense isn't fun for him either. He loves getting himself into a rhythm, which is way he starts shooting shots on game day before most players. We shouldn't post Marion up and iso him 6-7 times a day. Thats just taking touches away from Dirk.


    Hopefully he pulls his head out and does some of these things.
    You lost me there. I can see playing more butler because hes much better at getting his own shot.

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    It's funny that you think anyone one on here was attacking his talent.

    Talent to put the ball in a hoop is good, but it won't guarantee that you do the same once the symptoms of arrythmia and anxiety set in during a tough situation. You only have to look at the Golden St and miami series to realize how bad composure has cost this team a chance to make it big.

    There is a phenomena known as the "bedroom guitarist" who can whail and shred in the comfort of his bedroom but once he appears on stage, his uncontrolled nervouse tension doesn't allow him to play with the proper technique and skill because his body is not in control, thus he can barely squeek out a line and folds.

    Music, Sports, Public Speaking are all performance arts. Anxiety is a culprit to the delaying of success in either arena, and the best way to combat performance anxiety is to be controlled, breath properly and not exert excessive energy or get worked up. Dirk is way too emotional, and while some people can handle it, he can't. Peja stoyakavich could sink shots from anywhere but when it comes to adversity he tends to brick.( now he may have another underlying cause of his trouble, but we suffer in different ways).

    Dirk's unearned celebratory gestures lull him into a false sense of security, that's why he and his copycats underperform in clutch situations.
    All I can say is that Dirk's rep as a playoff choker is woefully overblown. He's one of only six guys in NBA history to put up a 25/11 for his playoff career. He's been good enough to be the best player on a team that has won 8 playoff series in his career.

    Go back and look at the final two games of the 2006 Finals: He was terrific. In 2007 he was playing through a foot injury. if Spurs fans get to whine about Timmy's plantar fasciitis in 2006, why can't Mavs fans whine about his 19/10 on bone spurs in 2007?

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    Well they came within 2-3 possessions of winning a le in 2006 with a "jumpshooter" as their best player.
    If you put it that way, then it's also fair to say that the Mavs were one boneheaded play away of losing on the second round that year. If Manu would have just let Dirk make the two (like any sane would have done) the Mavericks would have never gotten to the NBA finals.

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    If you put it that way, then it's also fair to say that the Mavs were one boneheaded play away of losing on the second round that year. If Manu would have just let Dirk make the two (like any sane would have done) the Mavericks would have never gotten to the NBA finals.
    True, so?

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