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So you are against unions and cartels?
illegals are not citizens
So you are against unions and cartels?
calling someone who you disagree with racist just devalues the true meaning of that word.
I was referring to myself. are you calling me illegal just because i'm brown?
calling a native born american, former soldier, an illegal based solely on the color of his skin is racist, wouldn't you agree?
he should have made a better product, or sold his customer on his service and English speaking ability. If he had some american ingenuity he would remain compe ive and would have grew his business using those same hard working illegals.
what i was stabbing at was how if your skills set isn't even compe ive with someone who can effectively communicate to the majority of the population, then you have bigger problems (like finding a new skill set or trade) than the issue of immigration.
There are over 1 billion people on this planet that make less than a dollar a day.None of them live in latin america.How's about we take oil tankers over to say India and empty it's ghettos, I could find harder, cheaper, labor who'd speak english faster than any mexican in the U.S. I could sneak them into Mexico and undercut Mexicans in Mexico, but of course that'd be illegal.
Your asinine idea that the poor have no one to blame but themselves for greedy assholes breaking the laws and hiring illegals, thus driving wages and conditions for all workers down, reminds me of the shortsighted and pig ignorant at udes that prevade and exemplify Latin America.
Ahh precious.Are you once again courageously standing up for the manufactured consent of the time, wrapping yourself in the New Yorker and NPR hoping you can pass for intelligent.
his ethics wouldn't allow him to. I gave you one sentence of how illegal immigration impacted his family directly, and you put him in a little bubble where you can give him some absurd advice. Why are you even assuming he spoke english? bag. I try not to namecall here, but this is ridiculous. Anyone who agrees with this law is racist? Your ridunculous assumptions. Get off your high horse. Clinton/Bush/Obama should have done something on a national level. They should have some form of security for the citizens of this state that made the law, which is backed by 70% of their population.
same could be said by all the jobs going over seas. Are you ok with all the jobs going elsewhere because the skills aren't good enough?what i was stabbing at was how if your skills set isn't even compe ive with someone who can effectively communicate to the majority of the population, then you have bigger problems (like finding a new skill set or trade) than the issue of immigration.
Last edited by spursncowboys; 04-28-2010 at 07:22 PM.
Unions are socialist and communist.
No one is saying they are dumbass. The arguement against the entire immigration law that passed in Arizona is the cons utionality of pulling people over who simply "look" illegal.
What does an illegal immigrant look like? The law in Arizona makes reference that the cops should have reasonable su ion, well what does that even mean?
panic giraffe and myself are both brown skin very ethnic looking mexicans I'm assuming. Are we going to be pulled over and asked for proof of residency? I would object very strongly to anyone who asks me for it. I'm sure that's very uncons utional.
it's artificial control of the free market. What are you talking about?
what?me
illegals are not citizens
Yours is the most compelling argument so far that I have heard against immigration reform.
But why have immigration laws at all, by your reasoning?
My father was an immigrant. It took years of service and sacrifice to the US to gain citizenship, which he is quite proud of. It does bother him that he is in a position where he is under more of a microscope from organizations like the IRS than his illegal counterparts. Not to mention the fact that there is a bit of a conflict of interested in having people working in a place they have no interest in living in or supporting.
I am with Maddox, I think there isn't a problem as long as the workers are paying taxes.
Artificial control of the free market? What the are you talking about? Explain how a union, that demands higher wages and will threaten with strikes is "artificially" controlling the free market?
I find it laughable that on one hand you support unions, and on the other hand you support the explotation of labor laws, and the ruling classes rape of the workers, just because it's wrapped in a mexican flag.
ding ding ding we have a winner here folks!!!
what surprises me is that all these "keep govt out of my healthcare" types are all for "paper's please"...
Where in my two posts calling unions socialists and communists, and then asking for clarification on how they are "artificially" controlling the market with their tactics, is there a clear support for Unions?
Have you not learned anything? I'm an American, and as such, I care only for capitalism and profits.
that was addressed to hope4dopes, micca or whathaveyou saying "if the american people want 20 million more of you..." like i was an illegal alien.
to which i rightfully called him racist just because he would assume that since i'm of mexican decent and i'm brown that i'm just like 20 million illegal aliens.
Well unlike health care....... one of the only jobs of the federal goverment is to protect the borders, which they haven't done.
actually i'm all for a new way of thinking about citizenship. i'm all for a complete open border, with universal healthcare, free education, social security, basically any service that would lead to MH's post earlier of FDR's 2nd bill of rights....but there's a catch...
minimum two years of service to the country to attain the status of citizen.
if you don't serve, then you're just a tax payer. no vote. nothing. lets see how soon we rush to war when it involves everyone....but that's just a weird fantasy. til then i'm all for a better work visa program.
Communist.
not at all.
all for a free market.
a true free market, the govt should have no say in what i want to buy(food, drinks, liquor, drugs, who cares its my choice), but the ability to tax it as it sees fit based on consumption.
edit note: i wasted post 666 on this . damn this thread.
Last edited by panic giraffe; 04-28-2010 at 08:32 PM.
We should have the EXACT same immigration policies as Mexico.
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