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    Monty's crew (now 5-5 with a 15.8 ppg advantage for the home team) delivered on Tuesday .... let's hope Rush's (4-4, 14.5) can do the same.

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    Mavs have very good records with all 3 officials.

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    Monty's crew (now 5-5 with a 15.8 ppg advantage for the home team) delivered on Tuesday .... let's hope Rush's (4-4, 14.5) can do the same.
    I would say the Spurs are in great shape tonight then.

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    My hope is they'll go out there expecting to play 5 on 8 and play harder and smarter because of it, instead of assuming they'll be given an advantage because they are at home.

    They need to go out and play well from the beginning; maybe this will serve as motivation to focus on playing rather than relying on calls. The only way to ever avoid unfair officiating is to play so that it becomes irrelevant. If they are going to play as if the game is biased and have a defeatist at ude because Joey Crawford shows up (as they know he will in the course of the playoffs), they may as well play the scrubs and rest up for game 7 in Dallas.
    ^ That hasn't changed with the subsitution of Rush for Crawford.

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    Well, sure. I know Stern would have liked to see this thing go 7. IMO, the only real shot we have at beating a healthy Spurs team in San Antonio is by rigged reffing. But honestly, I'll take a rigged Game 6, if it means the Mavs win
    And the Mavs will be the team Stern favours in Game 7, in the inured way how the scale is set unbalanced in games between Mavs and Spurs. Take 2006 2nd round for example.

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    Unless you are a Celtic.

    Check out Boston's playoff record in games Rush "officiated" in 2008 during their " le" run vs. their playoff record in games he did not.

    Bottom line, the guy should have been given a retired jersey at the Fleet Center.....he was the key guy to that " le".
    Wow, LakerLanny, still going strong on his never ending internet crusade to prove Stern is an evil individual whose only goal in life is to stop Los Angeles from dominating the NBA by maintaining a huge scheme of officiating corruption.

    I'll never forget LakerLanny terrorizing the usenet newsgroups in the 90s, ing about how Tommy Nunez, Bavetta and Hugh Evans were preventing Ceballos, Divac and Nick van Exel from winning a ring every season. I was a kid and was hugely impressed by his tenacity and all the numbers he had. Heck, the simple fact he knew the name of all the referees and which games they did and the fouls and all that was impressive. I thought he was crazy, but I was impressed by how prepared he looked. When he was everywhere insisting that the Lakers had to overcome terrible officiating against them to beat the Kings in 2002 I knew something was very wrong. In the 08 finals he was in every Celtics site explaining how the Lakers would blow out the Cs by 40 points every game if it wasn't the referees. Nice to see you still around, man.

    Here's a thorough refutation of LakerLanny claims if anyone is interested:
    http://forums.celticsblog.com/index....9735#msg299735

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    I find it amazing how much Spurs fans about referees. When it was Crawford, it was Stern making sure there's going to be a game 7. Now that it's Rush afterall, it's still Stern picking a guy that will assure there's going to be a game 7.

    If anything, Rush tends to be a homer ref, at least from my observations.

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    BTW.

    FWDT - What does it mean? That the leauge changed the rules or the leauge is not set with the refs from the getgo?
    I think it means that the league does some adjusting as the rounds progress and that the schedule that's set early on is not absolute.

    One thing I noticed this morning is that Rush was behind the other chiefs in terms of games officiated to date in Round 1. Through last night's games, all of the chiefs other than Rush had called 5 games:

    D. Crawford - 5
    J. Crawford - 5
    Derosa - 5
    Foster - 5
    Mauer - 5
    McCutchen - 5
    Rush - 4
    Salvatore - 5

    In light of that, I think the league may have chosen to balance the assignments out to avoid overworking the chiefs this early in the playoffs. I don't find any sort of sinister motivation here and don't necessarily think this means Joey Crawford would have Game 7 of Dallas/San Antonio. Historically, the league hasn't been afraid of recycling officials in a series for a Game 7; in 2008, when the Spurs and Hornets went out to a 7th game, the league assigned Javie, Bavetta, and Foster to that Game -- Javie had called Game 3 of that series and Bavetta had called Game 2. It's still possible, of course, that Joey would get a Game 7 (in fact, I think it would be probable unless there's another Game 7 in close proximity), but it's not a guaranteed deal.

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    looks like Rush is a home team guy. Here are his stats in 4 playoff games this year

    4 games
    home team win 100%
    +14.5 home team pt diff
    home team called for 41.7% of fouls
    road team called for 58.3% of fouls

    His home/road foul splits in the playoffs look to be one of the worst amng officials in the playoffs

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    RUSH ?

    Holy mada in' fvck

    haha could it be worse?




    Rush is traditionally a home team ref. Let's hope it stays that way.

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    My numbers are that the Spurs are 9-15 in playoff games that Rush has officiated since 1998. They're 6-5 at home and 3-10 on the road. They're also 0-4 against Dallas in Rush officiated games, having lost Game 3 in 2009 (in Dallas), Game 2 in 2006 (in SA), Game 5 in 2003 (in SA), and Game 4 in 2001 (in Dallas).

    The Metroplex should be rejoicing, I think. By Mavfan logic, the Spurs' very own Dan Crawford is in San Antonio tonight.

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    By contrast, since 2001, I have the Mavs being 9-3 when Rush officiates and 4-1 on the road in those games (the lone loss was Game 6 of the 2005 First Round in Houston):

    2001 WCFR (3) v. UTH -- W
    2001 WCSF (4) v. SA -- W
    2003 WCSF (2) v. SAC -- W
    2003 WCSF (7) v. SAC -- W
    2003 WCF (5) at SA -- W
    2005 WCFR (6) at HOU -- L
    2005 WCSF (3) v. PNX -- L
    2006 WCSF (2) at SA -- W
    2006 WCF (3) at PNX -- W
    2006 NBAF (2) v. MIA -- W
    2006 NBAF (6) v. MIA -- L
    2009 WCFR (3) v. SA -- W

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    Officials ALWAYS decide the game.
    Even when you think you have decided it, it's only because they let YOU decide the game.

    They have the final word.
    BS, refs don't control the spurs intensity, concentration , or turnovers. If the Spurs bring their game ,they have a shot at winning. That simple.
    If either team gets caught up worrying about the ref thing , then they will lose.Worry about what you can control(your game) not the refs.

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    Between rush and Crawford I'd rather have Crawford but nothin u can do about it. Just go balls out and win the GD game.

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    I must say that I would be fascinated to see what will happen among the respective fan bases if there's a Game 7 and somehow the league assigns both Joey Crawford and Danny Crawford to that game.

    I think the universe might end right there and then.

    Were I in charge of assigning officials, I'd be sure that got done.

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    Between rush and Crawford I'd rather have Crawford but nothin u can do about it. Just go balls out and win the GD game.
    The Spurs must play hard and play well. That would be true no matter who the officials are. I don't think officiating changes a team's effort and I don't think it decides the outcomes of games unless a team chooses to permit that to happen. Effort, attention to details, and focus are what win and lose games at this level.

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    I must say that I would be fascinated to see what will happen among the respective fan bases if there's a Game 7 and somehow the league assigns both Joey Crawford and Danny Crawford to that game.

    I think the universe might end right there and then.

    Were I in charge of assigning officials, I'd be sure that got done.
    that would be some crazy

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    Rush is traditionally a home team ref. Let's hope it stays that way.
    My numbers are that the Spurs are 9-15 in playoff games that Rush has officiated since 1998. They're 6-5 at home and 3-10 on the road. They're also 0-4 against Dallas in Rush officiated games, having lost Game 3 in 2009 (in Dallas), Game 2 in 2006 (in SA), Game 5 in 2003 (in SA), and Game 4 in 2001 (in Dallas).

    The Metroplex should be rejoicing, I think. By Mavfan logic, the Spurs' very own Dan Crawford is in San Antonio tonight.
    By contrast, since 2001, I have the Mavs being 9-3 when Rush officiates and 4-1 on the road in those games (the lone loss was Game 6 of the 2005 First Round in Houston):

    2001 WCFR (3) v. UTH -- W
    2001 WCSF (4) v. SA -- W
    2003 WCSF (2) v. SAC -- W
    2003 WCSF (7) v. SAC -- W
    2003 WCF (5) at SA -- W
    2005 WCFR (6) at HOU -- L
    2005 WCSF (3) v. PNX -- L
    2006 WCSF (2) at SA -- W
    2006 WCF (3) at PNX -- W
    2006 NBAF (2) v. MIA -- W
    2006 NBAF (6) v. MIA -- L
    2009 WCFR (3) v. SA -- W

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    Rruuuuusssshhhhh!!! Nnooooo!!!

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    Since I did it for the Mavs games with Rush, here's what I have on Rush with the Spurs in playoff games since 1998:

    1998 WCSF (5) at UTH -- L
    1999 WCF (1) v. PRT -- W
    2001 WCSF (4) at DAL -- L
    2001 WCF (4) at LAL -- L
    2002 WCSF (3) v. LAL -- L
    2003 WCFR (1) v. PNX -- L
    2003 WCSF (1) v. LAL -- W
    2003 WCF (5) v. DAL -- L
    2003 NBAF (4) at NJ -- L
    2004 WCFR (2) v. MEM -- W
    2004 WCSF (6) at LAL -- L
    2005 WCFR (1) v. DEN -- L
    2005 WCF (5) at PNX -- W
    2005 NBAF (4) at DET -- L
    2005 NBAF (7) v. DET -- W
    2006 WCFR (3) at SAC -- L
    2006 WCSF (2) v. DAL -- L
    2007 WCFR (4) at DEN -- W
    2007 WCSF (3) v. PNX -- W
    2007 WCF (3) at UTH -- L
    2007 NBAF (4) at CLE -- W
    2008 WCSF (1) at NO -- L
    2008 WCF (3) v. LAL -- W
    2009 WCFR (3) at DAL -- L

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    notice how every time it says DAL there's an L next to it

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    I must say that I would be fascinated to see what will happen among the respective fan bases if there's a Game 7 and somehow the league assigns both Joey Crawford and Danny Crawford to that game.

    I think the universe might end right there and then.

    Were I in charge of assigning officials, I'd be sure that got done.


    I was just coming in to ask if such a thing were possible. It would rock my world.

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    The Spurs must play hard and play well. That would be true no matter who the officials are. I don't think officiating changes a team's effort and I don't think it decides the outcomes of games unless a team chooses to permit that to happen. Effort, attention to details, and focus are what win and lose games at this level.
    There's a part of me that would love to see this. I bet there would be a ton of reversed calls.

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    Since I did it for the Mavs games with Rush, here's what I have on Rush with the Spurs in playoff games since 1998:

    1998 WCSF (5) at UTH -- L
    1999 WCF (1) v. PRT -- W
    2001 WCSF (4) at DAL -- L
    2001 WCF (4) at LAL -- L
    2002 WCSF (3) v. LAL -- L
    2003 WCFR (1) v. PNX -- L
    2003 WCSF (1) v. LAL -- W
    2003 WCF (5) v. DAL -- L
    2003 NBAF (4) at NJ -- L
    2004 WCFR (2) v. MEM -- W
    2004 WCSF (6) at LAL -- L
    2005 WCFR (1) v. DEN -- L
    2005 WCF (5) at PNX -- W
    2005 NBAF (4) at DET -- L
    2005 NBAF (7) v. DET -- W
    2006 WCFR (3) at SAC -- L
    2006 WCSF (2) v. DAL -- L
    2007 WCFR (4) at DEN -- W
    2007 WCSF (3) v. PNX -- W
    2007 WCF (3) at UTH -- L
    2007 NBAF (4) at CLE -- W
    2008 WCSF (1) at NO -- L
    2008 WCF (3) v. LAL -- W
    2009 WCFR (3) at DAL -- L
    Serious question, because I'm lazy and fatigued and can't remember all of these individual games. Are there any that stand out particularly in terms of team play and/or officiating? Meaning, X game was a total blowout, or Y game had a controversial call, etc.

    Off the top of my head, it seems to me that the 2005 games were legit wins/losses and unaffected by officiating. I'm just wondering whether there is any actual info behind the numbers, in other words.

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    You can't tell me Rush is worse than J. Crawford for the Spurs.

    He always favors the home team, and the games that the Spurs lost against the Mavs, how many of them were actually all that close? We got blown out in game 2 of 2006, we got blown out in game 3 of 2009.

    The only "close" game would be 2003, game 5. So unless the Spurs are getting blown out because Rush calls terrible fouls that throws them out of whack, then so be it. But either way, if we're getting a controversial official, I'd much much it rather be at home, than on the road.

    And I'd pick Rush over Crawford any day of the week.

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    Serious question, because I'm lazy and fatigued and can't remember all of these individual games. Are there any that stand out particularly in terms of team play and/or officiating? Meaning, X game was a total blowout, or Y game had a controversial call, etc.

    Off the top of my head, it seems to me that the 2005 games were legit wins/losses and unaffected by officiating. I'm just wondering whether there is any actual info behind the numbers, in other words.
    Oh, I don't know. There are several absolute blowouts among the Spurs' losses in those games -- 2009 at Dallas; 2008 at New Orleans; 2007 at Salt Lake City; 2006 vs. Dallas; 2005 at Detroit; 2001 at Los Angeles.

    There are also a number of very close losses that were decided in a way that I think had little to do with officiating. Rush had Game 1 of the Phoenix series in 2003, in which regulation ended with Stoudemire banking in a 3 to tie the game and overtime ended on Marbury's improbable heave as time expired. Rush had Game 3 of the Sacramento series in 2006, which ended on Artest's strip of Manu and Kevin Martin's buzzer-beating layup. Rush had Game 4 of the 2003 NBA Finals, which the Spurs lost by 1; Duncan and Robinson each had some foul issues in that game, but I don't recall feeling as though it had been called unfairly.

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