I agree. People get so frenzied about any trade discussion and right away start yelling "hater!" It's really just looking at the payroll numbers while realizing something has to change or the last two years of Duncan's contract will be spent getting into the playoffs with a 7 or 8 seed and not truly contending for a championship.
This is going to be a long, long offseason
Parker led the Spurs in plus/minus in the playoffs. That's pretty damn impressive considering he came off the bench 80% of the time.
But whatever. Spurs fans have been trying to trade him since right after he was drafted. Nothing has changed.
I'm not agreeing with the OP about trading Parker, but clearly, you either cannot read or choose to delude yourself from reality. The point he made, quite clearly, was that TP DID NOT play as well as the other two in the playoffs.
Manu was 12th in PER in the reg season and 15th in the playoffs.
Duncan was 5th in the regular season and 25th in the playoffs.
Tony was 89th in the regular season and 43rd in the playoffs.
Yeah, you could give him credit for improving upon his regular season and actually playing better in the playoffs, but he almost had to by default because he was awful in the regular season, by his standards (albeit, with a lot of injuries).
Parker remains what he's always been, a player whose value on any given night is almost 100% dependent on his scoring. He cannot influence a game, in the positive sense in any other way, whether it be passing, rebounding, defense or hustle plays.
Duncan, even when the ball isn't dropping, can still rebound, can protect the rim (on most nights), and can pass out of double teams as the hub of the offense. Manu can pass, get a clutch board, draw a charge or get a big steal (he leads all players in steals in the playoffs).
Unless Tony is scoring over 20 ppg, and at an efficient clip, he's not helping us, and too often in the playoffs, he didn't.
Yea unfortunately this team is very much in transition. The rest of the West is only going to get stronger too especially if everyone's healthy.
Nope but he was coming off the bench. I was mainly referring to the regular season when the Spurs were winning against the other contenders with Parker sidelined.
Agreed. Those that yell "hater" also contributed little to the discussion.
People forget that Duncan took a paycut so this team can remain compe ive. If Parker chooses to play for France this summer that just doesn't look good given that Manu is going to rest and that the Spurs need all the health they can get since next year is likely their last best shot at making some noise. And to be a broken record; the Spurs actually played pretty well without TP and Tony Parker's contract is the most valuable asset the Spurs have next to RJ's expiring deal and Tiago's rights.
This summer is going to be an offseason for the ages...the Spurs will have opportunities given all the roster changes thats going to happen across the league.
It's irrelevant how good or bad Parker was last season. That's not a reason to trade him.
This is going to be a long, long offseason
this is just the beginning.
I'm waiting for the parker for biedrins and calderon thread bump
A hurt TP almost shot 50% and managed 16 PPG despite 5 fewer FGA and getting 4 less MPG. He also still got 6 APM. Non-injured TP had a PER of 20-23.
This thread is a complete failure. There is no one that you can trade for and not lose something important to the team. He is one of the few players in the league that actually earns his contract.
If you traded a player because of an injury year then Manu wouldn't even be on the team right now with your logic. 2008 Manu had a crappy PER of 17 in the playoffs.
can't see it happening - the only reason I would consider it is will he re-sign with Spurs - rumors are that he wants to play in LA (not sure if any truth to it, obviously could make sense as far as Eva and bigger market, etc) - Maybe Spurs could try to get extension hashed out early in off season (at least basic framework) so we know Parker is committed - if he wants to play somewhere other than SA or the FO doesn't see him as part of future then NOW is the time to move him - again dont see it happening but if the above cir stances are true then get something back for him - maybe even could move him to one of LA teams although not sure if you could get back enough value
Trade Parker !!!!!!!!
Thanks Sabar, I was looking for the FGA line so if we apply the same FG % to this 5 FGA we all can see a proof of the decline theory BS.
our problem isn't the big 3...... it's all the scrubs pop has managed to put on the floor with them..... we lost to the sun's bench. IMO
well to be fair during long stretches of this serie suns bench > spurs starters
True but come on … you had a whole roster focusing on just three guys…. and ½ ( and Hill)…if you will…… our bench plain sucks.
Why did Pop play Bonner?
If he didn't play hin in the 1st 2 games, we wouldnt have been winless after 3 games.
In game 2, that we lost by 8 pts, Bonner was on the court during a 9-0 Suns run (at the end of the 3rd, we had the lead before he came in)
you Pop
I think Bonner should be signed for half his current salary and only play spurs' home games. LOL.Why did Pop play Bonner?
If he didn't play hin in the 1st 2 games, we wouldnt have been winless after 3 games.
In game 2, that we lost by 8 pts, Bonner was on the court during a 9-0 Suns run (at the end of the 3rd, we had the lead before he came in)
you Pop
He was on fire yesterday
yup, very long and so trueThis is going to be a long, long offseason
Parker led the Spurs in plus/minus in the playoffs. That's pretty damn impressive considering he came off the bench 80% of the time.
But whatever. Spurs fans have been trying to trade him since right after he was drafted. Nothing has changed
Tony Parker's injury forced the Spurs to move their best bench player, Ginobili, to the starting lineup. Parker just couldn't deliver the same impact and was woefully inefficient due to injuries and other reasons.
And in a thread started by duncan228 here are some lofty trade ideas that probably have a slim chance of becoming reality; but goes to show ya how valuable Parker's contract is and how the Spurs are in a state of transition:
OPPORTUNITIES
Here’s where Spurs General Manager RC Buford earns his paycheck, because he’s already $10 million over the cap for next season and only has seven players guaranteed for next season. His team is horrendously old and got out-worked by the Phoenix Suns (kudos to the Suns for pulling off one of the biggest surprises of the season, but it’s still the Suns!). With that said, I have a couple of ideas that could change the outlook of the franchise. Some insane, but could potentially happen:
1. Do a Sign-and-Trade deal with Tony Parker to Atlanta for Joe Johnson – Parker’s six-year/$66 million contract is up after the ‘10-11 season and with a league lacking in available free agent point guards, Parker would be a quality catch. This becomes more realistic with the emergence of George Hill this season. Joe Johnson could be a great long term fit in San Antonio, and with his career careening into the abyss in Atlanta his value could be lessened just a bit. Playing in San Antonio would have him playing for a contender, something Atlanta’s proven they’re not ready to be at all. Giving up Parker would seem insane, but for as good as Parker is, he has flaws as well. Move him and see if you can upgrade. Atlanta’s been in serious need for a PG for years now, as the basketball gods are making them pay for passing on CP3 and Deron years ago. Parker would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade.
2. Do a Sign-and-Trade deal with Tony Parker to Toronto for Chris Bosh – Similar premise as Joe Johnson, the difference would be more relatable to when David Robinson’s career was tapering off and Duncan was able to be a lead dog, 10 years ago. Bosh is a born and raised Texan (Lincoln HS, stand up) and San Antonio might not be a bad look for him. I think San Antonio’s biggest flaw was that Timmy can’t do it by himself anymore and that there is no real frontline depth behind him. Toronto would love to upgrade at PG after the failed experiment, known as Jose Calderon. Plus, it’s the most international team in the League; TP might enjoy himself in the T-Dot.
3. Sign A Deal with the Devil to get the No. 1 Pick – Even the devil might not sign that deal. Doesn’t hurt to at least call New Jersey and inquire about the inevitable No. 1 pick for John Wall right?
CONCLUSION
You’re going to see one of two things happen with the Spurs this off-season. Either San Antonio will be steadfast with their team and make minor tweaks to their engine, (finding better glue guys, drafting wisely, importing some of their foreign talent) or they’re going to make a drastic change in their personnel. Bringing in Bosh in a sign-and-trade to Toronto would change the entire game in the Alamo and would scare the living daylights out of any team preparing to face them in ‘10-11.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...antonio-spurs/
but but he spread the floor !Why did Pop play Bonner?
If he didn't play hin in the 1st 2 games, we wouldnt have been winless after 3 games.
In game 2, that we lost by 8 pts, Bonner was on the court during a 9-0 Suns run (at the end of the 3rd, we had the lead before he came in)
you Pop
You don't trade a player like our French unless you get something valuable, I will not trade him unless CP3 or Nash ... (did I say that?).
TP + RJ or Manu + RJ for sth interesting is a good trade scenario we should consider, having Tiago + Hill + Blair + TD (declining) + Manu or TP + decent bench will give us some chance to dream again.
no.....he was hurt mostly all season and got hurt again in the play-offs......should take some summer off
trade manu.. ooopss
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