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so our best scenario leaves us without a PG? F that. Hill isn't THAT good!
More made a few good points and I wholly agree that the "on-the-fly" rebuild should've started 2 years ago. However, I sensed the "idiot" factor creeping into his article.
He claimed Duncan is a power forward. Perhaps in name and position le only. The truth is the guy DOES man the 5 spot and has for some time. I dont' know what Moore has been watching. I do agree that Pop should revert back to a more traditional power forward lineup, rather than continue his ongoing search for the perimeter-shooting 4.
I was interested up until the point he contradicted himself by suggesting that the Spurs scrap the Ian Mahinmi project. As old as this roster is, and as neglected as this kid has been, this is no time to jettison the only promising, young center on the roster. That would be absolutely blasphemous. Regardless what happens with Splitter this offseason, the Spurs NEED Ian in the rotation next year.
I love Malik Hairston and believe he should've garnered playing time, but this team struggled with its outside shooting. I know that Malik can score, but I don't know if he's a consistent enough of an outside shooter to warrant that level of Moore hype.
Then Moore refers to Garrett Temple as George Temple.
Good article, but Moore did nothing to convince me that he's a credible insider.
so our best scenario leaves us without a PG? F that. Hill isn't THAT good!
A true PG? Manu is more real PG than Parker.Manu and Hill could fit very well.Do you remember how this team played last month before the playoffs?? Do you know who was the PG? Adds a back up PG from draft or a free agent.You can trade Mason,Bonner,Splitter(if you have Bosh and blair) for one PG too.
Bosh + Duncan it would be awesome.But sadly it's not going to happen.
yep. DRob's stats in 98-99 season were 16pts 10 rebounds. Tim's this season were 18pts and 10 rebounds.
the first year Tim was on the team, DRob had 21.6 and 10.6
Tim has a uva lot of mileage on him. DRob retired with 1110 games played (including playoff games). Tim has already passed that with a total of 1147 games.
Spurs at crossroad
With team and Duncan in a decline, tough choices must be made this summer
By Frank Zicarelli, Toronto Sun
When all is said and done, when Tim Duncan hangs up his hightops and gets enshrined in basketball’s Hall of Fame, the Big Fundamental will be remembered as the game’s best power forward.
But for now, a big question mark hovers over Duncan, team concerns that lead to the foundation on how the San Antonio Spurs have been built under Gregg Popovich’s watch.
The Lakers of Shaq and Kobe three-peated earlier this decade because of transcendent talent and an inability from a Portland team to come through in the clutch and a Sacramento team that simply couldn’t get over the hump.
As good as that Lakers team was, nothing compares to the Duncan-led Spurs, winners of four championships whose run began when San Antonio won the draft lottery in 1997, the year Duncan was taken first overall.
Had David Robinson not been injured, the Spurs would not have been in a position to take Duncan out of Wake Forest at a time when the lottery odds favoured the Boston Celtics.
With the Admiral at centre and Duncan at power forward, the dynasty that would become the Spurs took shape.
You look at the 1997 draft and you see that Chauncey Billups isn’t as good as he was when he was making big shots in leading Detroit to a le; Tracy McGrady is washed up; Stephen Jackson posts decent numbers on an average Charlotte team; Anthony Parker is a depth piece; Tony Battie and Tim Thomas enter free agency as fringe players.
The seven active players from the ’97 draft are on the downside of their careers, but no career even comes close to Duncan.
Duncan and Popovich are joined at the hip, making a split virtually impossible, which is why Tony Parker’s name gets bandied about in possible off-season scenarios involving potential trades. Duncan, to boot, has two years left and $40 million US.
Based on this spring’s playoffs, he’s not worth it.
No player has played more minutes than Duncan during his era and he’s beginning to show the wear and tear.
The Suns were able to sweep the Spurs because Phoenix took advantage of Duncan, who was exposed and abused. The Suns are a pick-and-roll team featuring bigs that spread the floor.
Duncan could not show and recover and he could not make free throws.
He’s nowhere near as big and out of shape as Shaq, but Duncan is threatening to enter that stage of his career where his presence is marginal.
Against Phoenix, Duncan averaged 16.0 points in the two games played in San Antonio. Against Dallas, Duncan tied his career low by scoring four points in a three-point Spurs win. In 10 playoff games, Duncan recorded four single-digit rebounding nights.
Averaging 19.0 points and 9.9 rebounds in a playoff run sounds good for most players, but not for Duncan.
At no time in his career post-season did Duncan average fewer points than he did this spring. His 48% shooting from the line was a career low, while Duncan’s rebounding average ranked as the third lowest.
For obvious reasons, the soul-searching in San Antonio has begun.
Whether this is the beginning of the end for the Spurs is the great unknown.
It’s certainly the beginning of a new Duncan, one that is getting old.
what about kyle korver and carlos boozer joing the spurs. kyle korver would fulfill the spot shooter/ 3 point shooter the spurs need. boozer would compliment timmy in the paint and an additional scorer we really need. dont know if the salaries match but both are free agents.
trade for bosh bring pepe sanchez or montechia and there we are.
joe johnson for tp? was that a joke? how old is jj another sg scorer? and hill? is he a true pg? he needs at leas 2 more years to blossom.
+1 I was thinking the same thing.. Duncan is no longer a PF in this league, his mobility is squat.. he is the teams' center now. Accordingly, you need to pair him with someone with some kind of mobility but that can still provide some post defense, rebounding, and shotblocking. A guy like Tyrus Thomas would fit nicely next to Duncan, so would Al Horford. I don't know about Splitter, but if he has the mobility people claim he has then that's a possibility too... even though I doubt he's coming.
I think Ian is gone next year. I don't think he is going to hang around in SA and spend another miserable season sitting on the bench. He will be either picked up by someone else willing to take a chance on a young 7 footer (most likely to happen) or he will go back to France. But I doubt he stays with Popovich and the spurs.
For getting Chris Bosh, I wouldn't be mad trading TP or Manu, in any scenario pls send RJ out of town.
I think maybe you roll the dice with a TP for JJ swap. Especially if they can snag Bibby as well.
JJ and Rudy Fernandez. Dont know how to get it done but thats who I would go after.
This "Duncan is done" crap is very premature. THe SPurs' frontcourt is still good enough. The Spurs need three point shooting and more diverse scoring.
Our front court seems pretty solid. This series with the suns even though it was a sweep. I don't see it completely that way. Each game was close all the way up to the last 6 minutes. The biggest issue in the series was not protecting our lead and disappearing on closing out quarters.
Duncan's game is just fine. We need a wing that is a 3pt shooter or we develop/trade/sign atheletic defenders and see about building the defense powered team we once were. To do that you need spurs need to place fresh pair of legs at the 4/5 position for interior defense to be more effective.
It wouldn't hurt if the spurs went about developing and testing out all the young talent they have and brought in at the end of the season and not to mention the hopefully potential draftees in this off-season.
I could say a bunch of other things, but overall I'm not really hurt by this second round outing this year. Phoenix just had so many different x-factor players just jump out and play balls off the wall for them this series. Now if those same players continue to play like that with the Lakers then I'll just have to really believe that phoenix is a better team. Dragic, Dudley, Frye.....these guys had unbelievable playing outside of themselves games against us. Not to say these guys are horrible players. They're solid role players but for them to blow up like they did I still surprised about that.
It's funny that a writer from Toronto, a city that hasn't done squat in the NBA, would try to question whether Duncan deserves the remaining $40+ million on his contract. For the second straight post-season things have ended disappointingly for Tim, but what about his all-star first half of the season. Plus, he defended a far more explosive player in Amar'e well. Or is he supposed to be able to defend point guards, shooting guards and small forwards at 34 years-old, too? The team needs to help Tim by finding better defenders, shooters and rebounders to complement him, not worse. He can't be nor should be the end-all, be-all defender and interior scorer on this team.
I'm new to the intricacies of basketball salaries and such so please don't flame me, but is there anyway at all that TD would be willing to renegotiate his contract for a lower salary?
To give you an example, LT was the Chargers' superstar running back but became less effective at the end of his career in San Diego because of age and injuries. But because LT loved the team so much and wanted to win a championship, he was willing to renegotiate and accept less money if it meant keeping (or adding) other talent on the team. If I recall, Larry Fitzgerald expressed a similar willingness if it meant keeping fellow receiver Anquan Bolden on the Cardinals.
Anyway, Duncan is a quality person who wants to play the rest of his career out in San Antonio and strikes me as the type of person who might be willing to accept a little less money to help out the team, particularly if he recognizes he is getting a little slower out there from age.
My suggestion to fix A-Team: ditch Rampage Jackson and hire an actual ing actor.
EIC,
He already has done this once with negotiating a contract to help the spurs bring in talent.
Ah, well nevermind then. I knew Timmy had the character for it, just wasn't sure if we'd gone that route already.
Great freaking Post!
The answer to our problems just hit me: Dirk Nowitzki. Picking him up would give us . . .
- Reliable outside shooting
- More international swagger (we could have USA, France, Argentina, and Germany in our starting five)
- Instantly make Ginobili a thousand times better by keeping his nose safe
Who's with me!
i could totally see Dirk coming to the Spurs. i know he respects the Spurs' organization. he respects Duncan and Manu. the Spurs with Dirk might be able to challenge the Lakers.The answer to our problems just hit me: Dirk Nowitzki. Picking him up would give us . . .
- Reliable outside shooting
- More international swagger (we could have USA, France, Argentina, and Germany in our starting five)
- Instantly make Ginobili a thousand times better by keeping his nose safe
Who's with me!
No doubt the NO.3 suggestion is pretty nice!The answer to our problems just hit me: Dirk Nowitzki. Picking him up would give us . . .
- Reliable outside shooting
- More international swagger (we could have USA, France, Argentina, and Germany in our starting five)
- Instantly make Ginobili a thousand times better by keeping his nose safe
Who's with me!
1st off it needs to be said that a lot of people perhaps don't know the history of the alamo very well (speaking about the national media who always makes these types of comments)...it's pretty well known that we defended upon insurmountable odds but ultimately lost (oh the irony).
2nd I agree with the premise of the article which basically states that we either stand pat and add small additions or completely revamp the lineup by trading Parker.
IMO we've tried the whole tweaking the lineup thing...it fails. We need a major trade involving 1 or 2 of the big 3, and clearly Parker is the one you could afford to lose without giving up too much in that spot due to Hill's increased ability.
Last edited by wut; 05-12-2010 at 06:36 AM.
Dirk would be nice but where would spurs find the money for him without being able to unload that bloated 15 mil for a midicore of a player named RJ?
I love Tony but would be interested in a pass-first point guard if no Hill maybe someone else. Who know maybe Splitter will be special or one of the young guys will emerge. People are overlooking how badly we were at the line, and phoenix had nothing to do with our ft shooting even Tony and Manu were off at the line. Very strange for the whole team to drop off an the line at the same time. If we just hit our average I believe we win a game or two and we're still playing.
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