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  1. #26
    Rooster-Lollypops TheManFromAcme's Avatar
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    Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.

  2. #27
    Chillin' like a villain... TampaDude's Avatar
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    Howard: PER, 23; Winshares, 1.2;
    Gasol: PER, 26.5; Winshares, 2

    Pau is better.
    Howard will ABUSE Pau in the Finals if they meet.

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    Howard: PER, 23; Winshares, 1.2;
    Gasol: PER, 26.5; Winshares, 2

    Pau is better.
    Pau has arguably had a better playoffs so far than Howard..I'm not sure if anybody has had a better playoffs than Pau so far, TBH..as overall players, Dwight has the advantage though, only Lebron and Wade have a bigger impact on the game..

    You pointed out a few stats, however, you're ignoring the defensive side of the ball..Howard has an absolutely ridiculous 88 defensive rating so far in the playoffs, the best rating since Ben Wallace..he's by far the best defensive player in the NBA, levels above the rest, which is why he has the edge over other big men..

    I doubt you appreciate Pau anyways..this is the same guy that continues to bash Fisher, despite his usual playoff heroics that should be expected by everybody by now, especially Laker fans..
    Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 05-11-2010 at 08:46 PM.

  4. #29
    Where Everything Happens The Franchise's Avatar
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    As of the past 2 Years

    Pau has been the BEST big man in the NBA

    Who here agrees?
    No. He's been good, but no.

  5. #30
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    Once he's the #1 guy then I'll say he's the best. Since that has yet to happen, then the answer is no.

  6. #31
    hold mah dick! duhoh's Avatar
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    i dunno about OP, but i do agree with the le for the most part.

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    Well, I would certainly agree that Pau has had more success, in large part due to his supporting cast. I mean, he has Kobe, a great closer, Odom, a versatile SF, a half decent to good C next to him in Bynum, and P-Jax keeps the scrubs usable by actually playing them.

    Duncan's supporting cast is a banged up Manu (still very good, but not quite as good as Kobe right now) and Parker, who is also had a hard time coming back.

    I think if you put Duncan with a supporting cast of Kobe, Odom and Bynum, and you still have a championship team. You put Pau on that Spurs squad, you might have a sweep in the second round, or maybe you get eliminated in the 1st.

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    Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.
    Let's make one thing very clear: The current level of Howard and Gasol isn't even in the same class as a prime Duncan.

    Gasol is more skilled, but Howard has more of an impact. Overall, I still give Howard the edge, but there are times when I feel like Gasol is better, which tells me that the gap isn't that wide.

  9. #34
    Believe. mingus's Avatar
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    it think Dwight has been better as well.

  10. #35
    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Well, I would certainly agree that Pau has had more success, in large part due to his supporting cast. I mean, he has Kobe, a great closer, Odom, a versatile SF, a half decent to good C next to him in Bynum, and P-Jax keeps the scrubs usable by actually playing them.

    Duncan's supporting cast is a banged up Manu (still very good, but not quite as good as Kobe right now) and Parker, who is also had a hard time coming back.

    I think if you put Duncan with a supporting cast of Kobe, Odom and Bynum, and you still have a championship team. You put Pau on that Spurs squad, you might have a sweep in the second round, or maybe you get eliminated in the 1st.
    what happens if Kobe replaces Manu?

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    Luck the Fakers Bob Lanier's Avatar
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    Howard will ABUSE Pau in the Finals if they meet.
    Didn't happen last year; why would it now that Gasol is turning into an excellent rebounder?

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    what happens if Kobe replaces Manu?
    3rd paragraph.

    I think if you put Duncan with a supporting cast of Kobe, Odom and Bynum, and you still have a championship team. You put Pau on that Spurs squad, you might have a sweep in the second round, or maybe you get eliminated in the 1st.

  13. #38
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Amare helping Duncan up after breaking his ass was sad & indicative of the decay in Duncan's game. A.) Duncan shouldn't a let him. B.) See A.

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    Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.
    lol no.

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    Pau is nowhere near prime Duncan. Laughable.

    Dwight is easily the better player as well. You'd be crazy not to take him either since he's a tank that rarely misses game. His lack of a reliable post-game would be a complete non-issue with his ability to grab offensive rebounds. Let Kobe draw 2-3 guys on the block while Howard mops up the alley-oops and put backs. It would be unfair.

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    Believe. Vertical's Avatar
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    Bogut > Gasol> Duncan

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    selbstverständlich Agloco's Avatar
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    As of the past 2 Years

    Pau has been the BEST big man in the NBA

    Who here agrees?
    Dirk, Howard?

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    selbstverständlich Agloco's Avatar
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    Tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as Tim once was.
    This is just pathetic.

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    Dirk isn't a big. He's a 6'11 shooting guard with a tiny .

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    Howard will ABUSE Pau in the Finals if they meet.
    Didnt happen last year, but I have a feeling it will be the case this year.

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    tim had his day in the sun and will go down as one if the best. Pau is at another level right now as tim once was.
    lol what

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    Dirk isn't a big. He's a 6'11 shooting guard with a tiny .
    Who's still a better player than Gasol

    lol can't win a playoff game by himself

  23. #48
    Rooster-Lollypops TheManFromAcme's Avatar
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    This is just pathetic.
    So is Tim as serviceable as Pau is right now?
    I am not bashing Tim whatsoever. Just stating that Tim's slight decline started right at or in 2008.

    The last 2 years to include this one. Look at all the chippys Tim missed during the Suns series. There was a time when Tim missing those kinds of shots was not happening. It's not just this year that Tim has been on the downside. He's been at this pace the last 2 seasons.

    No hate. Just pointing out.

    Geesh.

  24. #49
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    We already know, it's just simple logic.

    Fact: Kobe can't win anything without a top-flight big man.
    Fact: Kobe won 4 championships - 00,01,02,09.
    Fact: Shaq was the top flight big who carried Kobe to championships in 00-02.

    Therefore: There is a top flight big on the 09 Lakers.

    Fact: 09 Lakers had Bynum and Gasol as their primary bigs.
    Fact: Bynum sucked in 09.

    Therefore: Gasol was a top flight big in 09.

    Fact: Duncan wasn't a top flight big in 09.

    Thus: Pau > Duncan in 09.

  25. #50
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    Yeah, I'll give it to you that a prime Gasol is barely better than a 34 year old Duncan. You Laker fans should be proud.

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