Nothing the Knicks could offer would be good enough for TP. Nothing.
I find it hilarious that this fanbase that used to constantly trash Jason Kidd back when the Spurs were pursuing him now kills Parker for not being Kidd. Sometimes I wonder who is worse between Manufan always disrespecting Parker and Kobefan always hating on Gasol.
You ers always think I'm hating on Parker simply because I'm a Manu fan and it's simply not the case. I like Parker, however, I believe trading him could make the team more compe ive next year to win a championship. And there aren't that many players I would trade him for, but there is no doubt the Spurs NEED another solid big man alongside Duncan at this point in order to win another ring. Playing undersized pussies along with a tough PF that simply is too small to play significant minutes in a le run will not cut it. And somehow I'm crazy, yet in another thread there's an article talking about what the Spurs can do to remain compe ive without completely reforming the team, and it reads like this:
I simply think it makes sense, but it all depends on what is on the Spurs' agenda. If it's to win a championship in 2011 (if not 2011, likely not again for many many years), then I think bringing another big name forward/center is logical.Certainly, Tony Parker has value. The 27-year-old point guard battled injuries this season, but is a consistent 16-point, six-assist, high-40s-percent shooter who is in the prime of his career. And is there a comparably talented power forward/center on the market who could be more valuable to the Spurs than Parker? Carlos Boozer? Josh Smith? David Lee? A sign-and-trade scenario with the Raptors for Chris Bosh is interesting, but San Antonio would have to persuade Bosh to ignore the lure of Miami or New York before it could get him.
I don't think it's people hating on parker as much as people realizing we have two good point guards and a gaping hole at the forward spots, if we want to improve either tony or hill needs to be traded. Not because they suck but because we'll improve our roster. If you look at Hill's number while Parker was hurt he's number were near to want Tony gave us: about 14 ppg and 4 ast but also gave us much better defense and 3pt shooting. Honestly if Starting Hill at PG is a wash why not trade Parker if the right deal comes along? Assuming Splitter signs this summer...
A starting five of: Hill, Manu, Gay, Tim, Splitter with RJ/Blair/McDyess off the bench
vs
a starting five of: Parker, Hill, RJ, Tim, Splitter with Manu/Blair/McDyess off the bench
IMO the first line up is the far superior defensively and also more athletic which were the two biggest weaknesses this past season.
but george hill isn't a poing guard. no where close to being able to run point for a team all year. getting rid of parker would be horrendous for MANU. making him shoulder too much of the load offensively handling the ball... because george can't do it.
Not going to work. He goes nowhere and shouldn't.
lol two good point guards
The problem with your assertion, as well as many others, is that George Hill isn't a point guard and doesn't have the skills of one. He's improved his ability to run the team from his rookie season, but still needed Manu out there with him to run plays and the offense. Also, I'm sure if Hill became the full-time starter the playbook would remain in it's current (gutted) form. Are Spurs fans okay with just Timmy post-ups, Manu iso's and pick-and-roll plays? I'd like the team to good back to their motion offense which gave everyone an opportunity to score.
Plus, Hill's defense continues to be overrated by many here. Didn't people see every match-up Hill was put in, whether it was Dragic, Barbosa, Nash, Hill, Dudley or Richardson, tear Hill apart in the last series? People blame Timmy, but the perimeter players hurt out defense more than he did. Oh, and did you see Monta Ellis (twice), Aaron Brooks, Chauncey Billups, Derrick Rose and Mike Conley light George up in the regular season? , Pop even said that Hill needed to improve his perimeter defense, one of George's strengths, during his exit interview.
ny will never trade gallinari for parker.
LOL what makes you think we would? I wouldn't want that softie.
1. the playbook would remain the same except RUDY GAY WOULD BE ON THE TEAM! I'm not saying dump Parker for nothing, i'm saying if you can add a SUPERSTAR like RUDY GAY then do it. You refuse to address how Rudy Gay would help the team instead focusing on what we'd lose by not having Parker.
2. Hill is a much better defender then Parker, that's not overrated him. Is he bruce bowen? Not even close. Good defenders get scored on, even Bowen got scored on plenty of times. Bottom line: Hill is a better defender then Parker.
Coming from the dude that used to think Marcus Fizer was an nba level player that comment doesn't mean much.
If we trade Parker, I want a PG in return
Rajon Rondo
D Williams
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
and since we arent getting any of these 4............KEEP PARKER
I saw no evidence of this whatsoever. Is hill bigger and stronger? yes. Is he a overall better defender? I wouldn't say so. Parker is much quicker, plays the passing lanes better and has quicker hands than hill.
Bottom Line: No he's not.
He was.
Just not all that good an NBA player.
Coming from the guy who says we have two point guards and Hill is a much better defender than Parker, your comment doesn't mean much.
People tend to forget that Manu cant play a whole season at the level he ended on this season. Putting the ball in his hands too much early in the season (by not having parker) would be disastrous for the spurs and specifically Manu. Hill is not a point guard. I repeat. Hill is not a point guard.
Manu having to take over pg duties for a full season or even split ball handling duties for a full season....
trading parker makes no sense unless we get another star pg in return... which isn't happening.
get over it
swap jefferson for gay. that makes sense. not parker lmao
The issue is how do you address the PG problem with Parker gone?
It is not ok to have GHill to run the PG position for long periods of time. So the job will probably fall to Manu. This means that Manu will have to expend a lot of energy in the regular season running the PG position and to end close games.
Unless you can get a PG of equal caliber, a.k.a. Chris Paul, Deron Williams, etc, then it is a dumb trade.
I agree with that, but i don't think Memphis or New York would agree sadly.
How does trading PG for PG help our wing situation? or help us become more athletic? Trading Parker creates some issues like you said but it address weaknesses that just got our asses swept by PHX.
yeah i know but if there looking to shop a big piece it needs to be RJ first unless some ridiculous offer comes for parker. not gay or lee or any garbage like that. Tony is a great player and knows how to run this team. He had a tough year just like everyone has once in awhile. expect him to come back very strong next year.
IMO, I don't feel the spurs need to shop any of the starters. If you gave us splitter and improve our bench we would be in good shape this year. for example (swap mason for dudley and bonner for frye) and the spurs win that series. Those are not major adjustments. RJ, Hill, Blair with another year under their belt will make them all improve.
Just need to strengthen the bench. Easier said than done.. I know
Assuming we don't trade Parker, the Spurs need to get rid of Jefferson and somehow get another solid big man. It is needed if the Spurs want to get past the Lakers, ever, or to win a championship period.
Did you just call Rudy Gay garbage? um.. ok i just don't know what to say to that.
BTW swapping role players wouldn't have changed much. You do realize the spurs didn't win a single game right? It wasn't the bench that got us beat.
1) Since when is Rudy Gay considered a superstar? He's barely an all-star caliber player. Plus, there is the fact that in S.A. he'd be the third or fourth option, and I doubt he'd be any better a scoring off-the-ball the Jefferson.
2) George has more defensive versatility do to his incredible wingspan, but Parker still has a better grasp of his defensive responsibilities and defends point guards (big or quick) much better. George got torched a lot this season and needs to learn to make his match-ups work more like Bruce Bowen.
compared to tony parker. yes, rudy gay is garbage.
We didn't have a bench... that was exactly the problem... the problem ALL YEAR LONG... to much wear and tear on duncan and manu... and the fact tony couldn't get into any kind of rhythm after coming back from that broken hand.
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