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    I also think it'a better to pursue action through the courts in this case than to use the NCAA appeals process. Appealing to the NCAA only reinforces the notion that they have the authority to regulate things like the nicknames of their member schools. I'd seriously question whether they really have the legal power to do that, or if this is just another case of PC liberal academia on a power trip.

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    Let's have the NCAA go all the way, and ban the use of any Native American terms in their compe ions.

    For white people to use words like "Texas" to describe their sports teams is offensive to the Caddoes, for one. Let's rename it "Oppressionland" so that we all remember what bad little white people we are. "Oppressionland A&M Aggies." How's that?
    Oppressionland State has a nice ring to it.

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    There are several other states that will have to be renamed:

    Mississippi --> West Racismland
    Alabama --> East Racismland
    Tennessee --> Deliverancia
    Oklahoma --> Soonery
    Utah --> Mormonia
    South Dakota --> South Genocideland
    North Dakota --> North Genocideland
    Minnesota --> Frigidaire
    Wisconsin --> Favreland
    Michigan --> Autolousia
    Illinois --> Daleyland
    Indiana --> Hostileandoffensivia
    Ohio --> Drewcaria
    Kentucky --> Inbreedia
    Alaska --> Anwry
    Idaho --> Tuberania
    Kansas --> Slaughterland
    Arkansas --> Arslaughterland
    Missouri --> Pujols

    Have I missed any?

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    Utah --> Mormonia
    Better than Polygamia

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    Arizona --> Whoneedsmartinlutherkingdayna

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    Florida- AmericasWangin University

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    New Mexico -> Stolen In an Illegal War Mexico
    California -> Girliemania
    Colorado -> Rainbowtopia (don't want to give red preferential treatment)

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    California --> Fake sylvania

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    California --> Fake sylvania
    Do you have an application? What are your admission requirements?

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    Illinois-->ToogoodfordaylightsavingstimeU

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    The "Grand Tetons" name is offensive and sexist to women.

    We should change it to honor a strong, powerful, progressive woman who has overcome the stringent bind of the patriarchy. Let's name it after a dead lesbian activist!

    I hereby christen it the Jean O'Leary Range and Jean O'Leary National Park.

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    The "Grand Tetons" name is offensive and sexist to women.

    We should change it to honor a strong, powerful, progressive woman who has overcome the stringent bind of the patriarchy. Let's name it after a dead lesbian activist!

    I hereby christen it the Jean O'Leary Range and Jean O'Leary National Park.
    In similar news, you can't say "breast" in Kentucky.

    http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/12364369.htm

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    The "Grand Tetons" name is offensive and sexist to women.

    We should change it to honor a strong, powerful, progressive woman who has overcome the stringent bind of the patriarchy. Let's name it after a dead lesbian activist!

    I hereby christen it the Jean O'Leary Range and Jean O'Leary National Park.
    no O'Leary had horrible views on the environment.

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    NCAA crackdown on Illiniwek is Bunch of hooey
    By Bill McClellan
    Of the Post-Dispatch
    Monday, Aug. 08 2005

    The National Collegiate Athletic Association has announced a crackdown on
    colleges and universities that have nicknames or mascots connected to American
    Indians. Eighteen schools were cited. One of them was the University of
    Illinois, home of the Fighting Illini and mascot Chief Illiniwek.

    Before discussing this further, let's put things in historical perspective.
    According to the Illinois Blue Book, published by the secretary of state's
    office, the first humans arrived in Illinois about 25,000 years ago. The Blue
    Book refers to them as Paleo-Indians. In the 17th century, a federation of
    tribes including the Cahokias, Kaskaskias, Mitchagamies, Peorias and Tamaroas
    met some French explorers. The confederation called itself the Illiniwek, which
    translates loosely into group of men, and the French referred to the people and
    the country as Illinois.

    And Illinois it has remained.

    So that brings up our first question. If it is politically incorrect to name a
    team after a Native American federation, is it right to name a state after the
    federation? Especially when the whole thing is a misunderstanding on the part
    of the French. None of the tribes were the Illini. Illiniwek was the name of
    the group of tribes. This is like naming the state Bunch of Tribes. Or, more
    simply, Bunch. As in, "I grew up in Chicago, Bunch."

    Illinois is out. Definitely. Even if you're not offended by the French - and I
    know our neighbors across the river in Bunch are blue-staters and presumably
    pro-French - we ought to be sensitive enough to figure that if you can't name a
    football team after a federation of Native American tribes, you ought not to be
    able to name a state after the federation.

    At the very least, let's give it its English name - Bunch. We could try to
    update it with something more reflective of its present reality. Daleyland has
    a nice ring. Corrupcio is nice. Moneytalks sounds good. But for now, let's go
    along with history - Bunch.

    Now we can deal with the problem facing the University of Bunch. What should
    its new nickname be?

    How about the Fighting Jews?

    I suggest that only because Fighting Irish is already taken. You see, the NCAA
    is concerned only about the feelings of Native Americans. You can still use
    other ethnic groups for your nicknames and mascots. To a sensitive person, the
    Fighting Irish might be particularly bothersome, since you're dealing with an
    ethnic slur, a stereotype. The drunken Irish, always brawling. Actually, the
    Fighting Jews is a lot less offensive than the Fighting Irish because Jews are
    not known for being drunken brawlers.

    But maybe the university ought to stay away from religion. I like the Fighting
    Iranians. We could have Ayatollah Khomeini as the mascot. Or the Shah. Or both.

    Perhaps we should go another direction entirely. Maybe the NCAA will someday
    get around to other ethnic groups besides Native Americans. So we need a
    nickname that doesn't involve ethnic groups and has something to do with the
    state's heritage.

    We could give a nod to the plaintiff's bar in Madison County. The court system
    there has become world famous. The Fighting Judicial holes. Can't you just
    imagine the student section chanting: "We will sue! We will sue!" But what if
    reform comes to the legal system? That's unlikely, but possible.

    On that score, the political system will never change, and that really is what
    the state is most famous for. Does any state have a more colorful history of
    corrupt politicians? Democrats, Republicans, black and white. I remember when
    Paul Powell died and there were shoeboxes full of cash in his closet. How does
    a secretary of state acquire shoeboxes full of cash? George Ryan probably
    knows. If you go by number of cronies indicted, he was probably the most
    corrupt secretary of state in Bunch history, and he went on to become governor.
    On the local level, think of East St. Louis.

    So that should satisfy the NCAA - the Fighting Corrupt Pols of the University
    of Bunch. And a mascot will be never be a problem. It will always be the
    governor.
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Phone: 314-340-8143

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...0?OpenDo ent

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    no O'Leary had horrible views on the environment.
    Wow, this is harder than I thought.

    How about the All White Men are Evil Range?

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    Were local Hispanics offended when part of Commerce was named "Cesar Chavez Way"?

    Were local blacks offended when part of Commerce was named "Rosa Parks Way"?

    You name something to honor them, not degrade them.

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    JEB 08! .. come on we need ya buddy.. don't let the dynasty die!

    hahahaha

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    Guys, not to sound too ignorant here or anything, but why the in 2005 are we all of a sudden caring about team names that have been in place for seventy years, and every effort over the years to change them has failed (lawsuits, sit-ins, national coalitions, even as part of the platform for the Alcatraz incident in the early 70's)?

    The Redskins were founded in 1932, the Braves (well, that name) in 1912, Indians in 1914 (who were actually named after the Boston Braves), and the Blackhawks in 1926. The Chiefs were the old Dallas Texans, which brings up another point. If we as Texans are offended by Houston's choice of a mascot, what do we do about it?

    Russell Means, the famous Lakota Indian activist and head of the militant American Indian Movement, tried to sue the MLB Braves and Indians into changing mascots in the 80's and failed. After that, he didn't even bother trying to sue the NFL. I don't know what he and AIM did about hockey and college sports.

    Look, I'm sorry if Indians are offended. Maybe they should do what the University of Hawaii did. They wanted to honor their indigenous people and changed their mascot from Rainbows to Warriors, which the Office of Hawaiian Affairs completely supported.

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    Let us not forget the Jeep Comanche circa 1984

    It's a compliment, naming a rugged vehicle after them.

    jochhejaam <------part cherokee

    Latest news, Fla. lawmakers take steps to protect mascot names:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2133374
    Last edited by jochhejaam; 08-13-2005 at 04:43 PM.

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