No doubt if Jack walks their will be some (Ghost) who will B&M. What is a reasonable offer to Jack that if another team tops and Jack choses to take over the Spurs, the Spurs should let him walk?
I say genghis proposal of three years, last year player option would be perfect. Max $12 million. That should keep Jack's head on straight and him working hard and limit damage to the Spurs if he doesn't. If he blows up he could opt out at age 27 and get his big, big, long-term payday.
At what point, if the contract goes above that level, would you say "thanks for the memories Jack".
Ghost weigh in now or forever hold your ing.
Stephen Jackson should take a good look at the contracts that Ira Newble and Kevin Ollie justr signed with Cleveland...
they basically split the MLE on 4 year deals...
despite out homer perception of SJax's talent that is about the class of player that he is...
CC, you are daft if you put Jax in that category. He is a starter on a championhip team, he has won games for us in reg season and in two important games in playoffs(Dallas and NJ) He is our best clutch scorer when the game is on the line(besides Tim)He has icewater in his veins and is our best dribble penetrator, and will get better in his passing when he has time to work with the starters in camp.Also he is a top FT shooter(rare commodity on this team)
If he wants more than $3M as a starting salary, Hasta la Vista, baby. That works out to 3 years, ~$10.2M
Numbers? Amount and length? Let's see where people are relative to the final outcome. Rationalization is fine too, but give the numbers.
Unless there is a trade picnroll, the Spurs can really only offer the $4.9M Early Bird Exception - which is for players with the same team for at least the 2 prior years. It's calculated at 175% of the previous year's salary or the Average Player Salary (around $4.9M next year), whichever is greater.
The Spurs still hold those rights for Jack and it can be used as a Salary Cap Exception.
exactly what I was saying...Newble just signed a 4 yr 12 million deal...that is about where Jax is gonna end up...no way anyone gives him long term MLE kind of money...he is still just too inconsistent...If he wants more than $3M as a starting salary, Hasta la Vista, baby. That works out to 3 years, ~$10.2M
Solid D I was referring to $12 over the length of the contract not per year. $11-12 is acceptable to me. I like the prospects ultimately, when Mercer and Bowen are gone, of a three man rotation at the 2/3 of Manu, Jax, and Hedo and would overpay a bit to keep him around. I think his defense is getting really solid, particularly when he's totally focused.
3yrs 12mil.
up to 3 year/$13M would be okay with me ...
If he wants a 6-year contract (which has been reported but sketchy), would anyone here give him 4-years?
I would not
rumors are they want him as a backup
backups should only get 3 year deals. He is not going to see as many minutes this year. if hedo or mercer pans out you might trade jack done the road for someone. you strap him with a 4 year deal it will be harder to move. bowen would be the one people would want(because of his contract)
spurs have all the cards. and now houston only has a little money. if he wants years let him go to utah or denver.
rumors are caoches think he is a backup now thoughHe is a starter on a championhip team,
3 years $14 mil. If necessary offer 4 years $20 mil.
Yes he'll be a backup but I forsee Bowen's minutes declining over the next couple of years and also it is not set in stone that Manu and Hedo will be returning next summer.
Unless Mercer just starts killing people from the 3 line real quick.
He will be sucking on the hind teet, behind Jax and Bowen.
If we get Jax....
I don't see any teams pounding on his door with any offers- it seems that his agent has grossly overestimated Jack's market value.
3 year 12-13 mil.
The Spurs will have to make a good offer. If they don't, Denver can easily outbid them.
so you overpay him so he does not go to denver? to cold country?
not a contender?
he said he would play for less and can only play for pop.
if he migh to wolves, lakers or kings I might overpay a little. but not denver
he is not worth having at a bad contract period
spurs do not have a bad contract and they do not need on with jack.
So ducks what would you pay him? I doubt he'll sign for vet minimum for seven years with last six team option.
Ghost are you going to give us a number or just reserve the right to eternally no matter what?
ducks where did I say to overpay him? I said that you cannot get him for cheap. You guys act like he just has to take a contract now. F that. You have to make him a decent offer.
start his deal at 4 million for three years.
maybe a player option after 2 years
if he proves he can improve he can opt out and get a long deal.....
spurs need t have flexiablity they need to be able to make trades.
right now the spurs 2 tradeable contracts. spurs need to have all options open. that is why at this stage in sj's career I think a long deal would be BAD.
3 years, $13 million is not a contract.
Denver could easily outbid us for Jack now. But guess what- they aren't. We shouldn't base our contract decisions based on what a team with an abundance of salary cap space and no one to pay might be willing to give him.
Don't be surprised if they do, scott. If the Spurs want him back they have to make a fair offer or he will seek out that team with the cap room. You can't ignore the presence of Denver in the market.
If the team with the cap room wanted him so bad, they'd make him an offer.
If Jack is so upset with the kind of contract that players like him typically get that he is willing to go to Denver for slightly more (which is what Denver would offer- a marginally better deal that SA's- not the utopian 6 year 38 mil), then he should just go. Apparently he wasn't serious when he said he wanted to play for the Spurs.
has anyone heard he is actaully intersted in denver or utah?(two teams with most cap space)
or is this just specualtion?
You can not ignore denver. and he could use denver for his advantage like kidd used the spurs. but to me if Sj tries to use Denver to help him get paid I am not sure pop will just let him walk.
Well maybe things will begin to get serious with Jack and Denver. According to reports I've seen talks are progressing. If the Spurs aren't a little flexible then Denver can easily steal him. No, Denver won't offer him 6 years/$40 mil or whatever but they can still make a strong offer for him.
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