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I believe in workshops!
Lol. I give up.
It's pointless now.
Believe what you want to believe. I'll believe in actual reality.
I believe in workshops!
Tough to argue with film, hein?
Check the timestamp. I posted one minute after your video. I didn't watch the video before posting that.Tough to argue with film, hein?
Once again, believe what you want to believe.
Yeps, tough to argue with film.
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I wonder what went wrong!. Bynum actually flashed up. So, he knew where to go. Well, even if he didnt', at least he went!
And yet the entire play was crappy. Nothing happened. The zone stayed in shape.
I need to read more about Jamstone's zone offense. I feel I'm missing something here. That was supposed to work.
Crap! I did, I better attend a spelling workshop.
Feel free to post every possession Andrew Bynum was in the game when the Suns were playing zone.
In the clip you posted, he's moving around the paint. Looks like he does actually have an idea what to do as he goes to the middle when the ball gets swung on that side. I'd love to know if he did that every time against the zone instead of one possession you found. Any clips you found where he looked lost against the zone? You know, he did say he didn't know where he was supposed to be.
What went wrong is they never passed it inside and they ended up settling for a jumper.
Swinging the ball all out on the perimeter without trying to get the ball in the middle of the zone is what they did. That's why it didn't work. The clip shows that if you don't get the ball in the middle to attack the zone and just settle for a jumper, the zone can have some success unless the team who's settling for jumpers is a great shooting team.
Pretty simple.
Andrew Bynum not knowing where the to go against the zone defense.
Lol almost getting in Kobe's way and then doing a carnival loop from the free throw line up around the three point line then back down towards the basket.
WTF was that?
"I didn't know where I was supposed to be."
Lakers with Gasol at the 5 having him flash to the middle of the zone, face the basket and finding a teammate as the defense reacts to him with the ball in the middle of the zone.
and BOOM goes the dynamite
Couple observations from those clips.
1. The video you posted where Bynum flashed to the middle was in the second quarter. The video I posted where Bynum looked lost was in the third quarter. It leads me to believe him flashing to the middle was more of a fluke than anything. If he knew where to go in the second quarter, why didn't he know where to go in the third?
2. Ron Artest looked lost against the zone as well. He was crowding areas and not spacing well.
3. The Lakers weren't using a high-low post set against the zone. They used one post and four perimeter guys. I would guess that's to help with spacing but I don't know for sure. But that's not a "typical" Phil Jackson triangle set.
4. In the last clip I posted, you could see that when the defense reacted to Pau, the Lakers sent Odom baseline, forcing the one low defender having to choose between him and Artest. He chose Odom, leaving Artest open for the pass to attack the basket. Again, Artest looked lost. He should be out to the three point line where he could get a wide open shot or pump fake and attack the basket where Odom would still be behind the defense.
Last edited by JamStone; 05-25-2010 at 01:43 AM.
There was no joke about rape. No joke from me about anything at all. Just Harlem getting all butthurt that people find his obsession about Kobe comical.
Even tougher to argue with a moron.
So you argue and even post a play diagram from your workshop declaring that the 5 doesn't go to the freethrow line or elbow. And now you show seconds of one play and say he did know where to go. You always waiver this much?
My bad Cobbler, I forgot the /snark comment at the end of my post.There was no joke about rape. No joke from me about anything at all. Just Harlem getting all butthurt that people find his obsession about Kobe comical.
See, this is why you look so damn foolish. You sit here and say oh well he went to the spot but the play didn't work. Funny thing about that guy you post in the middle. YOU HAVE TO PASS HIM THE ING BALL.
The Lakers ignored him and tossed it around the perimiter.
Apparently passing the ball wasn't covered in your workshop.
Are you kidding me?
You're now saying that he knew where to go sometimes but not in others?
Great, now it's a 10 years veteran or so who doesn't know where to go in a zone either.2. Ron Artest looked lost against the zone as well. He was crowding areas and not spacing well.
Am I the only one who finds weird how so many NBA veterans don't know where to be in a zone when, according to Jamstone, it's so simple?
Maybe NBA teams should hire Jamstone as a consultant. Then he can write a 50 words post explaining how you attack a zone, the players read it and voilá, everybody knows where to go in a zone.
What a re .
Hmm, yeah, they attack the zone with the 4 drifting to the perimeter. I explained it to you somewhere in this thread.3. The Lakers weren't using a high-low post set against the zone. They used one post and four perimeter guys. I would guess that's to help with spacing but I don't know for sure. But that's not a "typical" Phil Jackson triangle set.
Yeah, nobody ever thought about telling Artest where to go in a zone.
So, the problem was execution? So, simply saying "attack the middle" doesn't get the job done?
Thank you! I siad it before this thread was even started. Put Gasol at the elbow and the zone is toast. Drew doesn't have the IQ to pull it off.
The funny thing about this whole thread is that Moron-gro is actually trying to argue that Bynum didn't believe his own comments. The man said he didn't know where to go. Seems like a pretty simple statement to comprehend. No? I suppose he just makes comments like that cause looking foolish in the media is so cool to do.
It's not that simple.
You seem to believe it's only a matter of willingness, of trying. That they just weren't smart enough to make the pass.
It doesn't work that way.
Have you ever played structured basketball with zones?
lol workshop.
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