Reply With QuoteGotta love this trade if it goes down.
Like to retain Jax and jettison Mercer though, if possible. I feel very sorry for Jax if he's the odd one out, but I guess this is a business...
Ok, since we have Bowen, why not have a really good offensive player now.
Bowen is going to contain Kobe, now lets put someone our there who can hit some shots.
Gotta love this trade if it goes down.
Like to retain Jax and jettison Mercer though, if possible. I feel very sorry for Jax if he's the odd one out, but I guess this is a business...
Oh come on this sux RuffNHeadyDoggyStyle. You told me. Be sad, man.
**** you Marcus, I never said anything like that. My beef was that the Holting Pattern didn't bring us a star, and it didn't (although I thought all along that it would).
I also stated that my disappointment was in the FAs and not our front office (I know they can't force players to sign), and my faith in the front office has been rewarded. They worked a bad situation into one that is reasonably good, kudos and thanks go out to them.
Really, I knew you'd take a shot at me in this thread, but why? Dude, you don't need to make everything so "us v them", especially not by mis-representing people's views.
This trade, while not bringing us a star, would salvage the off-season. It gives us by far the strongest one star team in the league - in fact, should it go down I think we become the NBA depth leader.
With TD, TP, MG, etc, we were always going to contend, but this makes us a strong contender again.
Ferry is the player we're sending to the Pacers.link to article
Pacers trading Brad Miller to Sacramento
Center Pollard coming here; Indiana also trades Mercer to San Antonio in three-team deal, signs point guard Anthony Johnson.
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PRINCIPAL PLAYERS
BRAD MILLER
• Position: Center
• Birthdate: April 4, 1976
• Height/Weight: 7-0, 261
• College: Purdue '98
• Old team/new team: Pacers/Sacramento
RON MERCER
• Position: Forward
• Birthdate: May 18, 1976
• Height/Weight: 6-7, 210
• College: Kentucky '99
• Old team/new team: Pacers/San Antonio
SCOT POLLARD
• Position: Forward-Center
• Birthdate: Feb. 12, 1975
• Height/Weight: 6-11, 265
• College: Kansas '97
• Old team/new team: Sacramento/Pacers
HIDAYET TURKOGLU
• Position: Forward
• Birthdate: March 19, 1979
• Height/Weight: 6-10, 220
• From: Turkey
• Old team/new team: Sacramento/San Antonio
ANTHONY JOHNSON
• Position: Point guard
• Birthdate: Oct. 2, 1974
• Height/Weight: 6-3, 190
• College: Charleston (SC) '97
• Old team/new team: New Jersey/Pacers
DANNY FERRY
• Position: Forward
• Birthdate: Oct. 17, 1966
• Height/Weight: 6-10, 235
• College: Duke '89
• Old team/new team: San Antonio/Pacers
By Mark Montieth
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July 23, 2003
Brad Miller gets a mega-contract and an opportunity to play for a championship contender.
The Indiana Pacers at least get compensation for losing their starting center, picking up an experienced center while also gaining financial flexibility.
Brad Miller
That is the essence of a three-team trade that, while unofficial, will soon become reality, according to various league sources.
The Pacers will sign Miller to a seven-year deal reportedly worth about $68 million, then send him to Sacramento for Scot Pollard and Hedo Turkoglu. They in turn will ship Turkoglu along with Ron Mercer to San Antonio in a salary dump that will enable them to re-sign Reggie Miller and add another free agent or two.
They also obtained Danny Ferry's non-guaranteed contract from the Spurs, potentially worth $4.5 million next season. They can release the 36-year-old forward without penalty, pick up his option and include him in another deal, or keep him.
The Pacers also agreed to terms Wednesday with point guard Anthony Johnson, a six-year veteran who played the past two seasons in New Jersey.
Johnson signed a two-year deal, with a player option for the second year, at a salary starting at the minimum of $813,679.
Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh declined to comment on the transactions until they become official. The news of Miller's trade, however, was met with great disappointment by team officials from Utah and Denver.
The Jazz and Nuggets had offered Miller lucrative six-year contracts, only to come away empty-handed. Miller will get an additional year on his contract and can receive greater increases because he's technically signing with the Pacers, who own his Larry Bird rights.
"Brad Miller would have been good for us, but I understand why he's going to Sacramento," Denver general manager Kiki Vandeweghe told the Denver Post on Wednesday.
"He had choices," said Kevin O'Connor, Utah's vice president of basketball operations. "When you make the All-Star team, you have the options he had."
Indiana had hoped to re-sign Miller, who averaged 13.1 points and 8.3 rebounds last season, but were unwilling to exceed the salary cap. Instead, he'll join a Kings team that could be a contender in the Western Conference for the foreseeable future.
The Pacers now have about $50 million in salary committed for next season, with about $7 million available to spend without exceeding the luxury tax threshold. They'll continue to look for opportunities to improve a roster that took a major hit by losing Miller.
Jermaine O'Neal, who re-signed with the Pacers on July 16, was disappointed over the departure of the center who complemented him well, but remained hopeful.
"It makes you anxious," O'Neal said. "Teams are getting better every day. Look at what the (Minnesota) Timberwolves have done (trading for Latrell Sprewell). They've become a contender. We have to do that. If the organization has any will to get to the next level, we'll make some moves. I don't think we need gigantic moves. We just need added pieces. Time is running out. Guys are signing and finding homes.
"I'm pretty positive that things will get done. I have a lot of confidence in what Donnie does. Come Oct. 1 (the start of training camp), I think we'll be happy with the team we have on the court."
Pollard, 28, who is 6-11 and 265 pounds, averaged 4.5 points and 4.6 rebounds last season, when he was limited to 23 games by a broken right hand and a stress fracture in his lower back.
Pollard, 28, averaged 6.4 points and 7.1 rebounds two seasons ago, when he was healthy.
Johnson, 28, averaged 7.5 points as a rookie in Sacramento. He has since played for four teams.
He averaged 4.1 points and 1.3 assists while playing 12.8 minutes per game for the Nets last season. He became expendable after the Nets drafted another point guard, Zoran Planinic.
Johnson's agent, Richard Howell, said his client had offers from four other teams.
"He respects the guards (the Pacers) have but he's hopeful if he plays well he'll earn some quality playing time," Howell said.
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They also obtained Danny Ferry's non-guaranteed contract from the Spurs, potentially worth $4.5 million next season. They can release the 36-year-old forward without penalty, pick up his option and include him in another deal, or keep him.
How can the Spurs give them a player that isn't under contract?
Sweet. Ferry's salary going out means that the Spurs can take back 115% of it. That's what helped to make this deal work.
The same to you, kiddo. You ran your mouth and now we see the result.**** you Marcus, I never said anything like that. My beef was that the Holting Pattern didn't bring us a star, and it didn't (although I thought all along that it would).
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Crying like a little already Jermaine? You hadja chance to be on a contender. Now your bodyguard is gone, and everyone is going to beat you up and take your lunch money. You sound like a ing Spurs fan. Wahhhh!!!!"It makes you anxious," O'Neal said. "Teams are getting better every day. Look at what the (Minnesota) Timberwolves have done (trading for Latrell Sprewell). They've become a contender. We have to do that. If the organization has any will to get to the next level, we'll make some moves. I don't think we need gigantic moves. We just need added pieces. Time is running out. Guys are signing and finding homes.
Oh, and Isaiah Thomas will be fired by Larry "if he were black he'd be just another player" Bird within a year. Bird has hated him ever since he said that. Have a nice day.
Oh well the Spurs ended up with some fabulous consolation prizes.
Jackson has been in SA for two years, and under Pop's guidance he has improved immensely. He was a scrub, next he's hitting shots in the NBA championship.
He's not a complete player by any means, but his ability to hit a shot and get players on their toes if they slack off.
I'm a huge Jackson fan. His energy will be missed.
Hedo is a great addition to the Spurs depth.
Mercer, I'm not sure about. We shall see.
Jackson has been in SA for two years, and under Pop's guidance he has improved immensely. He was a scrub, next he's hitting shots in the NBA championship.
He's not a complete player by any means, but his ability to hit a shot and get players on their toes if they slack off.
I'm a huge Jackson fan. His energy will be missed.
Hedo is a great addition to the Spurs depth.
Mercer, I'm not sure about. We shall see.
What is it with Spurs going after guys that wear #5. Kidd, Horry, Mercer and Hedo?
Evidently the word "headcase" hits a blind spot on your retina. People who WATCH THE GAME know that Artest has some very real problems which got him suspended on more than one occasion and were very detrimental to his team.Evidently the word "defense" hits a blind spot on your retina.
Artest is on the All-Defense team, and people who WATCH THE GAME generally agree that he and Bowen are 1/2 or 2/1 when it comes to on-the-ball defense. There are no stats which measure that, no matter how hard your little fingers may type.
Hedo is below-average on defense at best, and was getting reamed out by Kings fans for his poor defensive efforts last year. Hopefully Pop will fix at least the effort part.
And all you've done is show that offensively, they're about equal.
I rest my case.
Maybe you want a guy who provokes and chest bumps opposing team's coaches when he's not ripping cameras from TV crews and smashing them in the lockerroom? Perhaps his all NBA defense will come in handy when he's on the sideline after a suspension? Other than that I could really see him working out on the Spurs.
This is sh1t.
We turned down a deal from Chicago for Artest and Mercer in exchange for Steve Smith in 2001.
Now we're gonna do Mercer and Turkeyglue two years later.
Awful.
And I won't let you homers forget how you called Mercer a cancer.
We should've thrown money at Speedy and given Jackson the contract he wanted.
I hate our team for next year.
*sigh*
Now that wasn't expected.
Great comeback.
Please tell me the logic.
Mercer and Artest in 2001 > Mercer and Turkyglu in 2003
Jackson and Claxton gave this team at ude and athleticism.
Nesterovic is not a star.
This is sh1t.
Oh shut up and grow up. Mercer is nothing but filler and could be gone soon.
lmao
some things never change
I'll say it Hideo + Mercer > Artest + Mercer
Are the two of you Siamese Idiots?
Manny thinks Turkeyglu is better than Artest.
This is the homer bullsh1t I have to put up with day in and day out here.
Some blockbuster summer, Marcus. The Holt-ing Pattern you now claim to have supported all along is a joke.
You know, if Artest was a normal person who didn't remind me of rodman, I'd LOVE him on a team.
But well, everyone here can see through that act and see him for the time bomb he is, with the exception of you ghost.
Some of us know the value of chemistry, you do not.
Fine.
Manny, do you really think Pop would let Artest go crazy like that idiot Thomas did and encouraged?
Question.
Go **** yourself Ghost. If you think this summer is awful you should go join your friends over at the old forum.
I'm sure you'd be welcomed there. It's well suited for your intellectual abilities.
For what you said this summer was supposed to be, Marcus, it is certainly awful. All your Spurs homer spin can't hide that. Sacramento, Minnesota and LA have all had better offseasons than us.
I can't say that I am surprised, but I am definitely disappointed.
I never made any promises. Children like you do those things. I guess the Spurs should've blown up their roster to add some old ass former all-star talent in short term moves like LA and Minnesota.
Get ing real, man.
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