General 2010 NBA Draft Discussion

[lmbebo]

I guess you are saying by being so close to Robinson and Duncan over the past 20 years, they are able to recognize greatness but those two were consensus top picks the years they came out. I am not so sure that level of talent does not show itself prior to entering the league. If you are rolling the dice that someone will evolve to top 5 talent (which is what Big Dave and Tim were in their time), the odds are it's not going to happen.

In a round about way, what I am saying is the "can't miss" type of guys who surrounded with the right role players can get you some les, are already defined as can't miss by the time they enter the draft.

Usually... but I don't think (but I may be very wrong) that people were that high on Dwayne Wade. Can't remember if he was picked 5th or 10th that year. He was overshadowed by Lebron and Carmelo if I'm not mistaken. But he's the one with a ring. Right now he'd be picked 2 or 3 if the draft was redone.

[Ocotillo]

^^nice point

[jesterbobman]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/

"Jonathan Givony: I saw an article the other day where they quoted Rod Thorn, who is the president of the New Jersey Nets. He was saying, in his words, “Get me a moose. Get me someone who can defend, who can rebound, who can set screens, who can do all the dirty work.” To me that sounds like a description of you, would you describe yourself as a moose?

DeJuan Blair: That’s a pretty funny combination, I’ve been compared to Millsap, but I’ve never been compared to a moose. I’ll take it.

Jonathan Givony: If it’ll get you drafted 11th you’ll take it right?

DeJuan Blair: Oh heck yeah, a moose. That’s some funny stuff. "

Just to post that. Blair wouldn't be the most significant part of a deal(I mis-spoke calling him the Centerpiece I guess) but I do think he's an interesting prospect to them as a physical wide body in the paint, especially in the context of what Rod Thorn said last year.

I don't know if if a trade with NJ or Philly would actually happen, But If Parker and Blair go out for Harris and #3(presumably Favors), I could understand particular interest in Blair instead of #20 from their end).

Also, Chad Ford's 3rd mock is up. Notable movers:
Hayward at 8, Avery Bradley at 10, Udoh(down to 14), Whiteside(down to 24).

Babbitt also measured very well athletically.

[rayray2k8]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/



Just to post that. Blair wouldn't be the most significant part of a deal(I mis-spoke calling him the Centerpiece I guess) but I do think he's an interesting prospect to them as a physical wide body in the paint, especially in the context of what Rod Thorn said last year.

I don't know if if a trade with NJ or Philly would actually happen, But If Parker and Blair go out for Harris and #3(presumably Favors), I could understand particular interest in Blair instead of #20 from their end).

Also, Chad Ford's 3rd mock is up. Notable movers:
Hayward at 8, Avery Bradley at 10, Udoh(down to 14), Whiteside(down to 24).

Babbitt also measured very well athletically.

Just to let you know, the sixers are leaning towards drafting Favors. So scrap this idea.

[mountainballer]

in his podcast on DX Jonathan Givony says that this is the deepest draft he has ever evaluated. (going back to 2004). let's hope he is right about this. #20 pick might get the value of a lottery pick in an average draft.

[AFBlue]

What if there's so much smoke that there isn't any fire?

One of the post-season quotes I remember from Pop was that the Spurs had gotten younger and more athletic...just not enough. That leads me to believe they'll be very aggressive in this draft. I don't know if that means a move up to the top 5, but it could definitely mean a move up into the teens and/or an attempt to acquire multiple picks.

[AFBlue]

Just to let you know, the sixers are leaning towards drafting Favors. So scrap this idea.

It's early in the process and there's plenty of speculation going on at this point. It does the Sixers no good to lock into a specific player at this point...especially if there's still a possibility they move the pick.

Can't scrap any idea at this point. Spurs have the assets to land any pick in this draft other than #1.

[mountainballer]

ok, copy from a copy. (from the realgm forum). let's assume it's still legit.

NBA DRAFT COMBINE MEASUREMENTS
Player - No step vert - Max vert - Bench press (185 lbs) - Lane agility - 3/4 court sprint
Solomon Alabi 22.5 26.0 10 13.2 3.68
Cole Aldrich 23.0 28.0 10 11.48 3.35
Aminu, Al-Farouq 27.0 33.5 13 11.29 3.3
James Anderson 30.0 35.5 14 11.86 3.19
Luke Babbitt 29.5 37.5 15 10.98 3.4
Eric Bledsoe -N-a -N-a 9 -N-a -N-a
Trevor Booker 31.0 36.0 22 11.15 3.1
Craig Brackins 26.0 35.0 6 11.65 3.39
Avery Bradley 31.5 37.5 2 11.47 3.14
Derrick Caracter 25.0 30.5 22 12.78 3.61
Sherron Collins 27.5 33.0 -N-a 12.31 3.24
DeMarcus Cousins 23.5 27.5 -N-a 11.4 3.55
Jordan Crawford 31.5 34.5 7 11.03 3.37
Ed Davis 31.0 36.0 -N-a 11.7 3.21
Devin Ebanks 23.5 32.0 6 11.69 3.44
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25
Keith Gallon 23.5 28.5 14 13.44 3.7
Charles Garcia 24.5 30.5 2 11.65 3.23
Paul George -N-a -N-a 4 -N-a -N-a
Luke Harangody 24.0 28.5 23 11.83 3.41
Manny Harris -N-a -N-a 11 -N-a -N-a
Lazar Hayward 31.0 36.0 15 10.87 3.31
Gordon Hayward 30.5 34.5 10 11.73 3.22
Xavier Henry 28.5 36.5 8 11.1 3.18
Darington Hobson 29.0 34.0 -N-a 11.68 3.25
James, Damion 29.0 33.0 13 10.89 3.2
Armon Johnson 31.5 38.5 18 11.25 3.19
Wesley Johnson 32.0 37.0 16 11.43 3.14
Dominique Jones 26.0 32.5 19 10.88 3.31
Jerome Jordan -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
Sylven Landesberg 28.0 32.0 8 11.59 3.36
Gani Lawal 27.0 31.5 20 11.61 3.24
Greg Monroe 25.0 29.0 15 12.1 3.35
Daniel Orton 24.0 30.5 13 12.32 3.39
Artsiom Parakhouski 25.5 26.5 16 12.07 3.33
Patrick Patterson 28.5 33.5 17 11.14 3.25
Dexter Pittman -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
Andy Rautins 23.5 30.5 8 11.27 3.49
Ryan Richards 25.0 28.5 4 11.33 3.37
Stanley Robinson -N-a 37.5 6 11.65 3.23
Larry Sanders 25.5 28.0 7 12.49 3.27
Jon Scheyer -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
Lance Stephenson 27.0 33.0 10 11.39 3.38
Mikhail Torrance 23.0 32.0 8 11.43 3.17
Evan Turner 27.5 34.5 9 11.06 3.27
Ekpe Udoh 31.0 33.5 10 11.15 3.29
Jarvis Varnado 29.5 32.5 3 11.61 3.37
Greivis Vasquez -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
John Wall 30.0 39.0 -N-a 10.84 3.14
Willie Warren 23.0 31.5 10 11.21 3.5
Terrico White 31.0 40.0 10 11.38 3.15
Hassan Whiteside 27.0 31.5 12 11.83 3.54

[yavozerb]

stanley robinson with only 6 reps at 185 lbs, ouch..

[admiralsnackbar]

I was not impressed by Robinson's interview. Doesn't seem too bright.

[Biggems]

I want to end up with these 3 players by the end of the draft

SF Paul George
G Mikhail Torrance
PF Mac Koshwal

We have only two picks, so we will have to acquire another via trade

[Chieflion]

With the trade rumors of Tony Parker circulating like crazy, and it is only going to get worse in the off-season, with the Spurs contemplating on one of the most impactful and star-studded FA class, on a crossroads, they may trade Tony Parker for future assets. If that is the case, then the Spurs may select a point guard on draft day. So, this thread hopes to achieve comparing the different PGs or perhaps even guards who can be tried to convert to PG, just like Bradley, how the Spurs tried to make Hill add a little more to his game, although the depth and talent is a little weak. Most of the PGs can be had in the 2nd round.

1. John Wall (19 years old, Freshman, 1st pick overall)
2. Eric Bledsoe (19 years old, Freshman, late lottery to late 1st round pick)
3. Avery Bradley (19 years old, Freshman, mid 1st round pick to early 2nd round pick)
4. Terrico White (20 years old, Sop re, late 1st round pick to mid 2nd round pick)
5. Armon Johnson (21 years old, Junior, early 2nd round pick to late 2nd round pick)
6. Alexey Shved (21 years old, International, mid 2nd round pick to undrafted)
7. Sherron Collins (23 years old, Senior, mid 2nd round pick to undrafted)
8. Jerome Randle (23 years old, Senior, mid 2nd round pick to undrafted)
9. Greivis Vasquez (23 years old, Senior, mid 2nd round pick to undrafted)
10. Mikhail Torrance (21 years old, International, mid 2nd round pick to undrafted)

[kobyz]

so i think this is our target:
1.Xavier Henry
2.Paul George
3.Luke Babbitt
4.Gordon Hayward

hope we'll get one of them

[kobyz]

now the Jan Vesely decision to pull out from the draft seem to very hurt us, there good chance we will miss any of the good wings because of this one spot.

[yavozerb]

now the Jan Vesely decision to pull out from the draft seem to very hurt us, there good chance we will miss any of the good wings because of this one spot.

Donetas Motiejunas will be next to withdraw i believe, hurting the spurs even more..

[kobyz]

Donetas Motiejunas will be next to withdraw i believe, hurting the spurs even more..

even if he stay i don't think he is a top 20 pick

[Mr Bones]

If you were making evaluations solely from the measurements (not that I recommend it, but it's an interesting exercise), here are a few observations:

-Solomon Alabi is perhaps the most intriguing player in the draft. 6' 11.5" w/o shoes, 7' 0.75" w/shoes, 237 pounds, 7' 5" wingspan, 9' 5" standing reach, 5.0% body fat. Get that kid in a weight room for about 2 years straight, and you could have a legitimate 7'1" center.
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I was thinking the same thing until I saw his performances in the vertical leap, lane agility and three-quarter court sprint: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...=&pos=&sort=15

They're about the worst numbers of the entire draft class, even for a 7 footer. Hassan Whiteside, who has similar measurements, outperformed him by a pretty large margin.

[Mr Bones]

Babbitt also measured very well athletically.

I think some people were beginning to pigeonhole Babbitt as a great shooter who wasn't athletic... but that's definitely not the case. His vertical leap and lane agility measurements were among the best of this draft class.

[Bruno]

IMO, you can put players in 4 different tiers for Spurs first round pick:

Tier 1 : Players who won't be available at #20: (13 players)
Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Aminu, Wesley Johnson, Aldrich, Udoh, Monroe, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Henry and Hayward.

Tier 2 : Players who could be available at #20 but also have a good chance of being gone: (10 players)
Motiejunas, Orton, Whiteside, Sanders, George, Babbitt, Damion James, Avery Bradley, James Anderson, Eric Bledsoe.

Tier 3 : Players who should be available at #20 and look like legit options: (10 players)
Alabi, Seraphin, Lawal, Stanley Robinson, Ebanks, Pondexter,
Elli0t Williams, Willie Warren, Armon Johnson, Terrico White

Tier 4: Players that are a reach to be drafted at #20

[Libri]

IMO, you can put players in 4 different tiers for Spurs first round pick:

Tier 1 : Players who won't be available at #20: (13 players)
Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Aminu, Wesley Johnson, Aldrich, Udoh, Monroe, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, Henry and Hayward.

Tier 2 : Players who could be available at #20 but also have a good chance of being gone: (10 players)
Motiejunas, Orton, Whiteside, Sanders, George, Babbitt, Damion James, Avery Bradley, James Anderson, Eric Bledsoe.

Tier 3 : Players who should be available at #20 and look like legit options: (10 players)
Alabi, Seraphin, Lawal, Stanley Robinson, Ebanks, Pondexter,
Elli0t Williams, Willie Warren, Armon Johnson, Terrico White

Tier 4: Players that are a reach to be drafted at #20

This means that four among those tier 2 players will be available to the Spurs. Hopefully George and Babbitt will be among those players.

[Bruno]

This means that four among those tier 2 players will be available to the Spurs. Hopefully George and Babbitt will be among those players.

It could be 3 if Motiejunas withdraw.

Right now, my list of good picks for Spurs at #20 is the "tier 1" plus Whiteside, Orton, Sanders, Motiejunas, George and Babbitt. That's 18 or 19 players depending on Motiejunas choice. I just hope Spurs won't be in the worst case scenario where all these players are gone at #20.

[mogrovejo]

Hey Bruno, how is Seraphin doing in the playoffs? Did he get injured in the last game? Has he been showing improvements on his game? In which aspects?

[Bruno]

Hey Bruno, how is Seraphin doing in the playoffs? Did he get injured in the last game? Has he been showing improvements on his game? In which aspects?

Séraphin injured his knee in his last game.

I've barely watched French league this year (the level sucks), so I can't make you a accurate description of Séraphin improvements (or lack of). Now, he is just averaging 6/4, I guess he isn't that great.

Séraphin's agent, Bouna N'Diaye, also said today that Séraphin should directly come to the NBA and not be stashed in Europe if he stays in the draft.

[mogrovejo]

Noted, thanks. I assume the knee injury isn't serious.

[Biggems]

Since, I don't see Ian coming back, and Splitter is not a guarantee, I would love for us to acquire a couple of additional 2nd round picks......

1 - SF George
2 - G Torrance
2 - C Pittman
2 - F/C Koshwal

This way, if we are able to acquire Splitter, we will be loaded with bigs

C - Splitter, McDyess, Pittman
PF - Duncan, Blair, Koshwal
SF - Jefferson, George, Bogans
SG - Manu, Torrance, Gee/Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, Temple