Reply With QuoteAhhh... the simpleton biased homer take.
You guys could have testicular cancer and thank Pop you won't have to scratch your b@lls anymore.
Get a grip.
This is not the summer any of us hoped for.
GW,
once again you are living in this delusional what if world?
Are you talking about the same Kenyon Martin that dissappeared in the 2 biggest games of his career (Finals game 5 and 6)? Yea, that guy is really good, I would say clutch.
everyone else,
why do you continuously feed this guy's delusional ways by argueing with him?
Let him think what he wants. Just nodd your head and move on.....who would really be harmed by this?
Go Spurs...
Ahhh... the simpleton biased homer take.
You guys could have testicular cancer and thank Pop you won't have to scratch your b@lls anymore.
Get a grip.
This is not the summer any of us hoped for.
ignore him
and maybe the circle jerk will go away.
Only a moron would about getting Mercer and Turoglu for nothing.
NOTHING!!!
Isnt this what you morons were ing about when Sprewell got traded to the Wolves???
HERE IT IS!!!
Shut the **** up already.
Can someone please find something coherent is what T Ard Num Nuts just wrote?
His favorite player is gone now in favor of a Bird-Beak who lost his spot in the rotation to Jimmy friggin' Jackson.
Oh yeah... this summer is all it was cracked up to be.
Homers.
Ghost,
"Manny, do you really think Pop would let Artest go crazy like that idiot Thomas did and encouraged?"
Um O? Ghost? POP could not control DENNIS RODMAN back in the mid 90s when POP was GM. As a matter of fact Rodman use to always say he didnt have any personal problems with the coach BOB HILL at the time but it was POPOVICH who thought he could tame DENNIS RODMAN at the time.
AND WE ALL KNOW how that turned out. They ended up trading Dennis Rodman for ING Will Purdue. Thinking that Purdue and Rodmans departure made the SPURS a better TEAM.
What a joke. Artest is probably just as much of a psyco as Rodman was -- but Rodman proved he could be a GREAT ROLEPLAYER on a championship team. What the **** has Artest proven?
Sorry but Artest and Mercer in 2001 wouldn't guruntee .
Artest is a nice talent and has great intensity but he and POP WOULD NOT MIX.
This summer is not the Utopian Dream Superstar Summer some of us were hoping for.
But it hasn't been the Apocalyptic Disaster some of you have been ing about ad nauseum.
I know moderate opinions aren't very fun to read, but I refuse to get bent out of shape about the fact that this summer did not meet my absolute highest wants. We're better than we were last year. We filled our holes. And we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot with a contract we'll regret in 5 years.
It's a B summer in my book. And that's enough to keep me excited about next year.
Sure, we wanted to see the Spurs land a star. Yet they still had the flexibility to improve the team when that didn't pan out. At least they had the ability to make a serious play instead of being capped out and in danger of facing the lux tax like some genius here wanted.
I like this trade, although I'm still failing to see how it's much different for the Smitty for Mercer and Artest deal. Although Marcus said it was made up, the Express-News article found here seems to contradict that:
The Spurs turned down a trade two seasons ago that would have landed them Mercer and Ron Artest when both were playing in Chicago.
Turkoglu is a solid player, but the homer posts on here about him are sickening. Nobody ever talked about how great he was with the Kings, but in this very thread we have seen people talk about us getting "our three man of the future" and "a rising star." Please, guys. I think he is obviously an upgrade over Ferry, and we did great to get both he and Mercer for nothing. But come on! Take off the black with silver tint sunglasses and be objective.
It's pathetic to defend Turkoglu by saying "but he played fewer minutes than Artest!" There is a reason why he played fewer minutes than Artest, and there is also a reason why the Kings were eager to throw him in a deal for a white center.
This is a nice move considering the cir stances, but it is hardly fulfills the Fantasy Summer of 2003 we were promised two years ago.
Yeah, there's a reason why Turkoglu played fewer minutes than Artest:
Next.
But if Turkoglu is as versatile as some people here claim, couldn't the Kings have fit him in somewhere else? After all, he's 6'10" and can play three, maybe four positions on the court. Right?
The Kings were friggin stacked, Admiral. Have you seen him play, yes or no?
Who promised what?but it is hardly fulfills the Fantasy Summer of 2003 we were promised two years ago.
The voices in his head, Fizzzar. The voices.
this is easily better than Artest and Mercer then because
A your not TRADING ANYONE
B You get a better player in Turoglu than Artest.
Turk is better just on the fact that hes not a nutcase.
Gotta hate those trades where you get something for nothin eh admiral?
Good post Fizzar, nothing was PROMISED. Lots was HOPED! NOTHING promised.
Yeah, stupid Kings shoulda benched Webber to give this guy the starting job.But if Turkoglu is as versatile as some people here claim, couldn't the Kings have fit him in somewhere else? After all, he's 6'10" and can play three, maybe four positions on the court. Right?
AHF
T Park, I said that I liked this trade and that I thought it was a nice move considering the cir stances. Go back and reread my post above if you forgot.
Also, getting these guys without having to give up anything is essentially like trading Smitty would've been. We essentially traded Smitty for Mercer and Turkoglu, if you think about it.
Fizzzar, the homers are the ones who assured us of free agent signings galore this summer. You know, the same people who now claim that it was about "flexibility" and not superstars. Obviously, we all knew that winning the free agency sweepstakes was not a guarantee. That's why some of the more objective fans said that it was risky at best to hold out for free agent signings. That was the same discussion where we discussed free agency guaranteeing you nothing.
You're kidding yourself if you think that this whole plan was about anything but bringing in at least one superstar.
But back to the thread at hand, this was a great move. I just don't think Turkoglu is a rising superstar.
Nobody assured anyone of anything. You are the one who must've told yourself that the Spurs would absolutely land a second superstar in free agency this summer. Blame yourself before anyone else here. Sure, the Spurs made a play for a second superstar in the summer that DRob retired. WTF is wrong with that? In the interim they developed young talent and now we see that they've added more and retained some flexibility to retain that talent. What more do you want?
Smitty for Mercer and Turkoglu is a STEAL beyond BELIEF.
Oh wait, guess ya gotta toss in Danny Ferry.
STill a huge steal.
Fascinating how when you lose an argument, you switch it to one which was never being made.Evidently the word "headcase" hits a blind spot on your retina. People who WATCH THE GAME know that Artest has some very real problems which got him suspended on more than one occasion and were very detrimental to his team.
-The discussion was about who was the better BASKETBALL PLAYER. You KNEW this, because you tried to use stats to make your case.
-Having lost that, you now want to make it about his behavior. Guess what? IT'S NOT. I already said from jump street and repeatedly I didn't want Artest for those very reasons. Let's make it even easier on your psyche: YOU WIN THIS PART, OKAY?
There are lots of people who are more stable than Ron Artest. It doesn't make them better basketball players.
Anybody that thinks that a Horrry for Ferry, and a Jackson for Turoglu and Mercer trads is bad, then they have to be freaking nuts.
prob is Shooga.
him being a mental case affects the TEAM AND his own game.
how many games was he suspended last year?
Hes a Rodman without the gay hair.
Period.
If I'm a good airline pilot but every once in a while I decide to buzz the control tower in a commercial airliner for a laugh, do you think this would make me better than an above average pilot who never does this? How long do you think I'd be employed?Fascinating how when you lose an argument, you switch it to one which was never being made.
-The discussion was about who was the better BASKETBALL PLAYER. You KNEW this, because you tried to use stats to make your case.
-Having lost that, you now want to make it about his behavior. Guess what? IT'S NOT. I already said from jump street and repeatedly I didn't want Artest for those very reasons. Let's make it even easier on your psyche: YOU WIN THIS PART, OKAY?
There are lots of people who are more stable than Ron Artest. It doesn't make them better basketball players.
Jesus are you that ing blind? Last time I checked we were grounded in reality here. You just cannot ignore a player's warts. There is no winning "this part" of the argument. I don't care how great you think Artest is, if you consider the entire package he is not a better basketball player than Hedo, largely because of his mental deficiencies. Who cares if you surmise that he's a better basketball player during the grace period when he isn't insane? The fact is considering all the variables, he isn't the better player overall.
I've watched both Artest and Hedo play and Hedo's got just as much game except he didn't get the minutes on a super stacked Kings team where he had to take a backseat to Peja. Maybe his defense isn't at the level of Artest's yet but he's 6'10" and only 24 years old. I'm quite sure he'll get there.
More of this again? Marcus, how many times do I have to state that I realize that there were no guarantees with free agency? I was one of a handful of people two years ago who said that it was too risky to hold out for a max free agent. You pulled out the NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER screenname, put up a bunch of pics of souped-up cars, and told us how everyone would want to flock to San Antonio to play with Tim Duncan in a new arena. I hoped you were right, but logic and my gut told me otherwise.Nobody assured anyone of anything. You are the one who must've told yourself that the Spurs would absolutely land a second superstar in free agency this summer. -Marcus Bryant
I'm not blaming anyone, Marcus. I just think it's humorous how some of us got blasted two years ago for being "negative" and doubting that the Spurs would sign a max free agent, and are now getting blasted this summer for being upset that nobody listened to us. Go figure.Blame yourself before anyone else here. -Marcus Bryant
I feel great about our team, but our goals for the summer were not met. It's frustrating, and it should be for all that we invested. I think we did the best we could considering the situation, but in this case, effort did not equal results. The problem is that we weren't in control. How can you ensure your success when your future is left up to a bunch of fickle free agents?Sure, the Spurs made a play for a second superstar in the summer that DRob retired. WTF is wrong with that? In the interim they developed young talent and now we see that they've added more and retained some flexibility to retain that talent. What more do you want? -Marcus Bryant
I think we will contend for a le this year. In fact, I was one of few who said we could win the le this past year. So I don't need a lecture on optimism with respect to our team or anything else, but thanks anyway.
There are no guarantees in free agency. I never said there were. Of course I am going to keep repeating that when you keep insinuating that I said something to the contrary. Damn.
As we have seen, just because you take a couple of shots at adding a franchise level player in free agency and don't bring in one, you can still improve your team. What the is wrong with that? I never expected the Spurs to sign anyone. I thought the chances were good, sure. Some of you calling this offseason a "failure" are a tad bit off the mark.
Good, so we can all stop telling each other that there were no guarantees this summer. That should decrease the number of posts on this board per day by at least 50.There are no guarantees in free agency. I never said there were. Of course I am going to keep repeating that when you keep insinuating that I said something to the contrary. Damn. -Marcus Bryant
Nothing is wrong with trying, just don't mistake trying with succeeding. You're attempting to sell us on the effort, which was undoubtedly high. I'm telling you that it's not about effort, but results. I don't think that Nesterovic, Horry, Mercer, and Turkoglu are what anyone had in mind two years ago.As we have seen, just because you take a couple of shots at adding a franchise level player in free agency and don't bring in one, you can still improve your team. What the is wrong with that? I never expected the Spurs to sign anyone. I thought the chances were good, sure. Some of you calling this offseason a "failure" are a tad bit off the mark. -Marcus Bryant
I think we have definitely improved our team in certain areas, but you and I choose to look at it two different ways. You choose to compare our current team to our team going into the summer, which is a very valid comparison. I choose to compare it to the team that we set our sights on achieving two years ago. As far as the plan is concerned, we failed. As far as building a team that can continue to play at a high level, we succeeded. Having Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili as building blocks sure does help, though.
At least we can all look forward to some new faces on the roster, and hopefully to another le in 2003-2004. That is exciting.
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