Turkey has announced they will send another flotilla to Gaza escorted by Turk Navy

[Wild Cobra]

Come on Cobra...you did it once already...

I'm having a hard time controlling my anger. Such simple concepts, but above your head.

[ElNono]

I'm having a hard time controlling my anger. Such simple concepts, but above your head.

You don't have to control anything. Tells us how you really feel.

[ElNono]

What does your treatise define a merchant ship as? And based on that definition, how was the flotilla a merchant ship?

The flotilla carried humanitarian aid. Just because Gaza receives shipments of humanitarian aid doesn't mean that a ship carrying food/water/etc... isn't humanitarian aid. In fact, it probably means that what was carried on the flotilla was, in fact humanitarian aid.

No answer. Must be the controlled anger.

[vy65]

What part of "if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67" do you not understand?


Yes, apparently you don't. It's a vessel that can carry passengers and cargo.

This is how laws, work playboy. Certain "key" terms are used. Those "key" terms can mean a lot of things, and so the person who made the law had the courtesy to define what he meant when using that term.

A merchant can mean a lot of things. Under the Uniform Commercial Code, it means a dealer who's ordinary course of business is to sell goods. In the maritime context it could mean ships carrying the newest air jordans or it could just mean people.

Talk this one over with your buddy San Remo and get back to me.

[Wild Cobra]

Merchant vessel != humanitarian ship

So it can violate a legal blockade by pretending to be a humanitarian ship?

Is that your twisted logic?

[ElNono]

BTW, here I am admitting I was wrong:

Actually, I'll use this post to say I misread internal for international waters.

It's not hard really.

[Wild Cobra]

This is how laws, work playboy. Certain "key" terms are used. Those "key" terms can mean a lot of things, and so the person who made the law had the courtesy to define what he meant when using that term.

A merchant can mean a lot of things. Under the Uniform Commercial Code, it means a dealer who's ordinary course of business is to sell goods. In the maritime context it could mean ships carrying the newest air jordans or it could just mean people.

Talk this one over with your buddy San Remo and get back to me.

It's a vessel that can carry passengers and cargo.

Isn't that what I said?

If anything, I should of replaced "and" with "and/or."

Do you realize you haven't contributed anything good?

[ElNono]

So it can violate a legal blockade by pretending to be a humanitarian ship?

No you can't. Think about it. Then tell me why you couldn't do that.

[Wild Cobra]

BTW, here I am admitting I was wrong:



It's not hard really.

Yes, I know, but you still refuse to acknowledge a vessel that is determined to break a blockade can he boarded outside the 12 miles. I laid it out, yet you refuse to acknowledge it.

Can you look post #280 again please.

[vy65]

Isn't that what I said?

If anything, I should of replaced "and" with "and/or."

Do you realize you haven't contributed anything good?

You're right. That's how *you* define it. Is that how the *law* defines it? Thankfully, those are two different things.

And, I think I contribute alot, actually.

[Wild Cobra]

No you can't. Think about it. Then tell me why you couldn't do that.

I was laying that out as the way out thought process is developing. Not mine. That's the end result of your logic, allowing a ship full of missiles in.

[Ghazi]

Israel has lost all its credibility to the international community

Even if they were stupid enough to attack Iran (they aren't), they wouldn't be able to due to the international outrage. USA will not support Israel in an attack on Iran, since the USA and Iran are allies

[ElNono]

Yes, I know, but you still refuse to acknowledge a vessel that is determined to break a blockade can he boarded outside the 12 miles. I laid it out, yet you refuse to acknowledge it.

A Merchant Vessel can. Please post the definition of merchant vessel from your Remo do ent. Also explain how the ships are not humanitarian ships, considering they were bringing humanitarian aid that Israel themselves distributed to Gaza.

Can you look post #280 again please.

I did. As explained to you many times, and 'you fail to acknowledge', it applies to merchant vessels, not humanitarian ships.

[ElNono]

I was laying that out as the way out thought process is developing. Not mine. That's the end result of your logic, allowing a ship full of missiles in.

So you don't know why you couldn't pretend to be a humanitarian vessel and break a blockade?

[ElNono]

And, I think I contribute alot, actually.

Well, I can safely say that even when we disagreed, we did it respectfully, and eventually both ended up learning something...

[ElNono]

I wonder what's the next 'plan' to mess me up...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL

This movie is getting good. Will the United States side with its NATO ally which it is bound, under NATO charter to go to war with if its attacked?
Or will the supreme hegemon side with the leech-like artificial state that virtually everyone except the American Right despises? Find out
on the next exciting episode of How The World Ends

[Wild Cobra]

A Merchant Vessel can. Please post the definition of merchant vessel from your Remo do ent. Also explain how the ships are not humanitarian ships, considering they were bringing humanitarian aid that Israel themselves distributed to Gaza.



I did. As explained to you many times, and 'you fail to acknowledge', it applies to merchant vessels, not humanitarian ships.

I'm growing tired of this.

A merchant ship is just about any non-military vessel. It can be a barge, cruise liner, ferry, etc.

13. For the purposes of this do ent:

(i) merchant vessel means a vessel, other than a warship, an auxiliary vessel, or a State vessel such as a customs or police vessel, that is engaged in commercial or private service;

As for classifying it as a vessel for humanitarian aide, it does not matter if it is not proven to be that. I already pointed out that just calling it that allows then you to ship weapons by just lying about what it is.

So again, does calling a ship a vessel of humanitarian aide give it the right to run a blockade? Does it eliminate the right of a nation to enforce a blockade outside of neutral waters?

[Ghazi]

LOL

This movie is getting good. Will the United States side with its NATO ally which it is bound, under NATO charter to go to war with if its attacked?
Or will the supreme hegemon side with the leech-like artificial state that virtually everyone except the American Right despises? Find out
on the next exciting episode of How The World Ends

quoted for motha , in, truth.

[vy65]

lol slingshots
lol deadly weapons
lol end of Israel as we know it

[vy65]

BTW, calling a ship a humanitarian vessel doesn't do ship.

The fact that a ship carries food/water/medicine/other humanitarian supplies does ... most of important of which is, according to your boy San Remo, exempt it from pre-emptive raids in international waters.

[ElNono]

I'm growing tired of this.
A merchant ship is just about any non-military vessel. It can be a barge, cruise liner, ferry, etc.

As long as it's engaged in commercial or private service, and it's obviously not a humanitarian ship.

As for classifying it as a vessel for humanitarian aide, it does not matter if it is not proven to be that.

Sure it matters, as humanitarian ships delivering aid are excepted from attack under Remo.

I already pointed out that just calling it that allows then you to ship weapons by just lying about what it is.

Not true. Ship can still be lawfully inspected per UN Law of the Sea if there are any su ions. That Remo doesn't apply to humanitarian ships doesn't mean that there's such clause in the UN law. Actually, there isn't.

So again, does calling a ship a vessel of humanitarian aide give it the right to run a blockade? Does it eliminate the right of a nation to enforce a blockade outside of neutral waters?

No.

[David Bowie]

LOL

This movie is getting good. Will the United States side with its NATO ally which it is bound, under NATO charter to go to war with if its attacked?
Or will the supreme hegemon side with the leech-like artificial state that virtually everyone except the American Right despises? Find out
on the next exciting episode of How The World Ends

I would love for you to go and live in one of those Islamic states that you adore so much. Oh yah, thast right, you'll be dead in two days there for being an infidel

[Wild Cobra]

Not true. Ship can still be lawfully inspected per UN Law of the Sea if there are any su ions. That Remo doesn't apply to humanitarian ships doesn't mean that there's such clause in the UN law. Actually, there isn't.

We disagree. Do you agree or disagree they cannot run a blockade?

[vy65]

We disagree. Do you agree or disagree they cannot run a blockade?

That's not the issue. Can Israel raid a humanitarian ship in international waters?