Turkey has announced they will send another flotilla to Gaza escorted by Turk Navy

[ElNono]

Hiding behind one specific law when another says otherwise. El don't-know is hiding behind a peacetime law rather than acknowledging the laws in play at the effective state of war, and legal blockade.

1) It was pointed out to you, in multiple instances, that there was effectively no blockade at the time
2) The onus is on you to prove that the law I'm making reference to only applies in peace times as opposed to war times or any other times.

Stop running away, calling me antisemitic, and address the actual points.
You've been good at nothing but beating around the bush in this thread and have the gall to tell other people that they bring nothing to the table.

Stop wasting my time if you can't even reference the sources of your own claims.

[Spur_Fanatic]

I disagree. I would say you are setting your own qualifiers to justify your racism.

He must be a nazi, amiright?

[Wild Cobra]

I would actually counter that since that area was "originally" under the control of the Semetic people, that the Arabs have a "better" historical claim to it. The Arabic bloodline was affected by the Crusades, no doubt, but many many of the Jews living there now, had been parts of familys that had been living in Europe for many hundreds, even thousands of years.

This is all, of course a matter of intellectually curious, but futile debate, and based on an assumption (by me) that for the above reasons, the arab blood is "purer" than the jewish blood.

The "semetic people" include the Hebrews, which the Jewish people are form. The Hebrews were in that area, and became Israel, because of a leaders name.

Wanna try again?

[vy65]

I disagree. I would say you are setting your own qualifiers to justify your racism.

Guess I'll join the Islams in a circle of racism then ...

[Wild Cobra]

He must be a nazi, amiright?

I'm beginning to think anyone who refuses to acknowledge certain facts, have that mindset.

[Drachen]

The "semetic people" include the Hebrews, which the Jewish people are form. The Hebrews were in that area, and became Israel, because of a leaders name.

Wanna try again?

Reading comprehension. The Semitic peoples include the Hebrews, Arabs, Ethiopeans, Canaanites, and Phoenicians. My point was that due to the dispersal of the Jewish people for many hundreds (and in some cases thousands of years) amongst non-Semitic people, and having just recently come back to the area, it is likely that the Arabs are far more Semitic than the Jews living in that area.

[Wild Cobra]

Reading comprehension. The Semitic peoples include the Hebrews, Arabs, Ethiopeans, Canaanites, and Phoenicians. My point was that due to the dispersal of the Jewish people for many hundreds (and in some cases thousands of years) amongst non-Semitic people, and having just recently come back to the area, it is likely that the Arabs are far more Semitic than the Jews living in that area.

OK, you just outed yourself.

Racial purity.

[ChumpDumper]

OK, you just outed yourself.

Racial purity.

OK, you just outed yourself.

Abject stupidity.

[Drachen]

OK, you just outed yourself.

Racial purity.

Outed what how?

Your arguement was that Israel was set up before Muslims made claim to the area. My arguement was that Semetic people (including Hebrews) were there before Israel was set up. Now if you want to go that route, you have to determine who has stronger claim since both groups are of the exact same peoples. Well, obviously it would be the ones who are of that people to the greater extent. You could even go really crazy and say that since Ismael was the first-born son of abraham that his offspring have greater claim to Abraham's legacy than Isaacs offspring.

Once again, this is just a fun exercise in intellectual curiosity than any kind of legally binding issue.

[vy65]

Whoever has a "historical" claim to the land is wholly irrelevant. It's reasonable to have an Israeli state just like it's reasonable to have a Palestinian one. The issue is the legitimacy of the policies pursued by the state. If it boxes up a million-five, deprives them of basic living necessities, and programatically destroys them, it's fair to question the legality of those claiming the right to run a state. If Obama started killing all native americans currently on Indian land, people would question the legality of those acts. And if the administration continued in it's course of action, people would rightly question the administrations right to control the government. The same thing can be said of Israel.

Who came from where, and when is irrelevant and impossible to prove.

[Drachen]

Whoever has a "historical" claim to the land is wholly irrelevant. It's reasonable to have an Israeli state just like it's reasonable to have a Palestinian one. The issue is the legitimacy of the policies pursued by the state. If it boxes up a million-five, deprives them of basic living necessities, and programatically destroys them, it's fair to question the legality of those claiming the right to run a state. If Obama started killing all native americans currently on Indian land, people would question the legality of those acts. And if the administration continued in it's course of action, people would rightly question the administrations right to control the government. The same thing can be said of Israel.

Who came from where, and when is irrelevant and impossible to prove.

I agree with everything you wrote until the last 3 words. I only went that route to essentially show how silly it is.

[DarrinS]

Whoever has a "historical" claim to the land is wholly irrelevant. It's reasonable to have an Israeli state just like it's reasonable to have a Palestinian one. The issue is the legitimacy of the policies pursued by the state. If it boxes up a million-five, deprives them of basic living necessities, and programatically destroys them, it's fair to question the legality of those claiming the right to run a state. If Obama started killing all native americans currently on Indian land, people would question the legality of those acts. And if the administration continued in it's course of action, people would rightly question the administrations right to control the government. The same thing can be said of Israel.

Who came from where, and when is irrelevant and impossible to prove.

I would agree with this if it were true.

[sook]

this argument is getting painful to wathc


WC, you are cool and i like how you take a stance for what you believe in, but just this once don't hold Israel up on a pedestal and make them a 100% right in every situation.

[vy65]

You're right. It's like they combined Disneyworld and the spearmint rhino over there. Wanna take a visit?

[sook]

19 year old american kid dead just been confirmed.

Shot at close range 5 times. 4 in the head, one in the chest.
http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wa...dead_by_israel

[DarkReign]

This has to be one of the more useless, tiresome threads I have ever read.

16 pages of circles. Seriously, gentlemen.

One must admit defeat in the face of willful ignorance. Certain personalities have no intention of breaking with their emotional convictions, evidence and law be damned.

You cannot argue or convince these individuals of anything. Ignore, admit defeat or conquer. Those are the choices.

[Cry Havoc]

This has to be one of the more useless, tiresome threads I have ever read.

16 pages of circles. Seriously, gentlemen.

One must admit defeat in the face of willful ignorance. Certain personalities have no intention of breaking with their emotional convictions, evidence and law be damned.

You cannot argue or convince these individuals of anything. Ignore, admit defeat or conquer. Those are the choices.

It's really sad when a person cannot admit that they're simply wrong. WC claims to be person of science, yet he clings to his "feelings" in this situation over the law to ascertain what's right and wrong. It's depressing.

[sook]

This has to be one of the more useless, tiresome threads I have ever read.

16 pages of circles. Seriously, gentlemen.

One must admit defeat in the face of willful ignorance. Certain personalities have no intention of breaking with their emotional convictions, evidence and law be damned.

You cannot argue or convince these individuals of anything. Ignore, admit defeat or conquer. Those are the choices.

this was actually one of the few times I thought no one could conjure up bull and just man up and say israel was wrong.


I'm still wondering what would happen if they were to nuke hawaii or something.

I'm guessing it would be something like they were hiding rockets or planning an attack.

[Cry Havoc]

this was actually one of the few times I thought no one could conjure up bull and just man up and say israel was wrong.


I'm still wondering what would happen if they were to nuke hawaii or something.

I'm guessing it would be something like they were hiding rockets or planning an attack.

Haven't you heard? Ireland is full of Nazis now.

[Shastafarian]

I'm not commenting on anything anymore but I will post relevant articles.

ISTANBUL — One of the nine people killed in an Israeli commando raid on a flotilla of ships heading for Gaza this week was a United States citizen of Turkish descent, officials in Turkey and Washington said Thursday.
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The development added a new diplomatic complexity as Israel struggled to defuse rising international anger over its raid on six ships seeking to break its blockade of the Gaza Strip, where officials from the Hamas movement were reported on Thursday to be resisting Israeli efforts to deliver truckloads of goods seized from the flotilla...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/wo...exprod=myyahoo

[Ghazi]

Israel-where killing Americans happens

[EmptyMan]

Would not have happened if they hired Rambo to escort them...just sayin'

[Drachen]

I have to ask, since the word Floatilla isn't used very often, does anyone else picture a taco shaped float for the river parade?

[DarrinS]

I have to ask, since the word Floatilla isn't used very often, does anyone else picture a taco shaped float for the river parade?

or a flotilla

[Wild Cobra]

this argument is getting painful to wathc


WC, you are cool and i like how you take a stance for what you believe in, but just this once don't hold Israel up on a pedestal and make them a 100% right in every situation.

I never claimed such thing. Like any government, they have their problems and mistakes. I cannot stand, however, that bigoted people see them as always being the problem.

Israel got caught in a trap to sever for propaganda. They did nothing wrong in this case, except not foreseeing the possible outcome that has occurred. I understand that some disagree with that viewpoint. Sure, they could have done things differently. I seriously doubt the end result would have been any better if they did.

Would you agree their is an obvious hatred to Israel by many people here? Is that healthy?