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because he does.
u know those jumpshots are overrated right? if he misses ppl will call him a selfish chucker not passing the ball, he makes them they make it seem like he hits those on a regular basis, his more of a fluke
because he does.
sons I hate Garnett, but will give props. In his prime he was twice the player Kobe ever was. Great scorer, excellent shooter, outstanding rebounder, etc.... Kobe on the other hand well, he just chucked up as many hail mary "I hope it goes in!" shots as possible and lived at the free throw line due to the league pushing him to the top.
Maybe most versatile, but Garnett has never been offensively skilled enough to be considered the best player in the world. , hes never been the best PF in the world even. Duncan or Dirk were constantly superior PFs. The guy has never been an offensive stalwort, getting the majority of his points from offensive putbacks and his midrange jumper. he has almost no post moves, and pretty much relied on his athletic ability for his career. true, hes a great defender and rebounder, and that scoring isnt all the game is about, but if thats the case, then why isn't Dennis Rodman considered someone to build a team around, but Steve Nash is? Dennis Rodman basically is a beast at everything Nash is not, but everyone knows that Nash is greater than Rodman ever was. Why? Because in the end, offensive skills is where most true skills lie, whereas most of rebounding, defense, pick-setting, etc... is just about effort and athletic ability. Most every player is capable of being at least a very solid defender if they just gave the effort, but some are simply lazy, others are relied upon too much offensively that they have to conserve energy on defense.
Offensive abilities are still the #1 method of judging how good a player actually is.
If Garnett was as incompetent as Rodman in the offensive end you may have a point but Garnett has always been a good offensive player and in his prime he was one of the best offensive players on the league not only for his scoring but also for his ball handling and passing abilities. Kg and Dirk was never even a debate during Garnett's prime so I don't know how can you say that Dirk has consistenly been a superior PF.
You also think that manu>dirk, so no wonder no one takes you seriously.
lol manu>kg?
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lol thinking manu>kg
I said Dirk OR Duncan. Either one or the other, you ing Nazi moron. And I'd still take Dirk, as he constantly would rape the out of KG when facing each other, and always was able to more successfuly lead a team as the #1 guy. Garnett only ONCE got out of the first round as a #1, despite having some pretty solidly built teams. Never great teams, obviously, but definitely good enough to get past the 1st round, and most of the times, HE was the one holding the team back because he was too predictable offensively, and could never find ways to consistently make plays in clutch situations, almost always deferring to far lesser options.
The dudes complete lack of offensive SKILL has been showing for the past 3 years now, as he pretty much entirely relies on wide-open mid-range shots, and offensive putbacks. he could do a little more when in his prime because of his athleticism, but hes has NEVER been a truly skilled offensive player.
lol thinking about suicide
BadOdor thought about suicide. Way to lose cool points
Individual matchups don't determine that a player is better than the other. And KG's best teammates in Minnesota have been Sam Cassell, Latrell Sprewell and Wally fricking Szczerbiak. Dude never really had a chance there. Besides Garnett won a championship as the best player in his team in Boston.
Take it from a Celtics fan
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/080416
Kobe wins this one easy, but anything is POSSSIBBLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEE
DAF probably has that as his homepage because Simmons put manu high on the list.
Crofl, you know about basketball. Garnett's a very skilled post player. He just doesn't have the bulk to dominate offensively in the post. He's still a 22+ ppg scorer. Combining him with Shaq instantly makes the other team have zero chance to get anything but dominated from 10 feet in.
Where he say that?BadOdor thought about suicide. Way to lose cool points
And Kobe was better.
I think its closer than some think, but went with Kobe.
stretch.. since Duncan is a center I think KG was the best PF in the league at some points. KG in '08 > Dirk in '08. I know that coincides with when his teammates getting better but it seemed to rejuvenate him as well...best player on an all time great team . and probably KG before 2004-2005 > Dirk. IMO,
Cassel, Sprewell, and Szczerbiak were some pretty damn good role players at that time. Szczerbiak isn't nearly as bad as you and other make him out to be, the dude was a very solid ball player back then. I mean those are three guys who were capable of going off for 25+ points on any given night. Not bad at all.
Also, if you are deferring to two other players in crunch situations, you are not the best player on your team. Maybe the emotional leader and defensive anchor of Boston, but that's about it.
Wow, that was an absolutely horrible post from stretch, disgusting hyperbole there..you're also completely disregarding passing, where Garnett is one of the best passing big men in NBA history, certainly the best in my lifetime..
I don't have a problem with anybody picking Kobe, but I don't see any argument for saying "easily"..I have yet to see any arguments in this thread, people are just picking Kobe and the majority haven't explained why..
I think some people have forgotten how dominant Garnett was in his prime, or have just chosen to forget about it..KG's peak in 2004 was a completely dominant season, and I don't know if Kobe has any season that could match Garnett's dominance that year..
Garnett led the NBA in PER(a box score stat, so it pretty much kills the notion that Garnett wasn't a great offensive player, it would be impossible to lead a box score stat without being very good offensively IMO), Win Shares/48(led it by a HUGE margin, only Duncan coming close), led the NBA in rebounding(by a significant margin), won the MVP award..he was #3 in defensive rating, only trailing Ben Wallace and Duncan, so his impact was massive on both ends..
He was #1 in the NBA in +/- by a MASSIVE margin..the Wolves were a ridiculous 19.6 points better when Garnett was on the floor that season, higher than 2nd place in the league by a disgusting 7+ points..one of the highest margins and one of the highest numbers for this stat in NBA history..Garnett had the highest +/- of any player of the post-Jordan era..part of the reason is because of his bad teams, so it's inflated, but it clearly shows his value to his horrible supporting casts..
Garnett joined Kareem as the only player in NBA history to average 20/10/5 with 1.5 SPG and BPG in a season, and unlike Kareem, he didn't do it during the extremely fast pace of the 70s..
In the playoffs, he led his team in PPG, RPG, APG and BPG and took a Wolves team with a 34-year old Sam Cassell and a 33-year old Spree as his main options, losing to a Lakers team with Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton after Sam Cassell missed HALF the series..
Also, knocking a player for his athletic ability is incredibly stupid..
Is Manu in the list? I swear to God I didn't see it. I was actually looking for the official MVP voting ballot where KG finished third but I came across this and thought it was better. I guess I will have to keep reading it.
DAF probably has that as his homepage because Simmons put manu high on the list.
Dirk in 08 > KG in 08.
KG had Paul Pierce and Ray Allen (playing second fiddle to Pierce and Allen obviously is/was a good)
Dirk had Brandon Bass (by far the 2nd best player for the Mavs in the playoffs)
at stretch. If I had never seen KG play I would think he was Horace Grant 2.0 based on his posts in this thread.
ok bud
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