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Mind telling me who our prophets and gods are? Or what our holy book is?
true. Words cannot describe what goes on at the Jersey Shore.
Mind telling me who our prophets and gods are? Or what our holy book is?
So you learned about comets without the use of a search engine?
Let's see your personal findings and not Google's please.
For me its not an issue of higher power vs. some chemical reaction and big bang. Neither are 100% accurate as represented. The real argument should support the logic and continuing exploration of the origins of the universe rather than something that is proven mythical and non-existent.
Higher power...maybe but this whole notion of "god" and "christ" and the modern day scope of organized religion is biggest load of fecal matter ever perpetrated on humanity. At least the evolutionist are attempting to put together a logical picture of what this world is rather than blindly following hearsay and fabricated urban legends.
One is rooted in common sense and logic with an intent to grow and learn the other is rooted in bigotry and ignorance.
I miss these threads. Wish I could find more time to post here.
God Bless.
Love God. Love each other.
the rest is noise and a waste of time.
Church is just noise and a waste of time, imo.
where is this proof you speak of? what is this 'something'?
if one believes something to be mythical and non-existent, then so shall it be.
so you admit the possibility. so what do you feel this Higher power would want for you in your life, if this Higher power was to exist?Higher power...maybe
Every individuals 'notion' of God and Christ is unique in its own way.but this whole notion of "god" and "christ" and the modern day scope of organized religion is biggest load of fecal matter ever perpetrated on humanity.
What specifically do you dislike about 'organized' religion?
I have not attended church in quite a while. I have issues with some of it too. Mostly the prideful thoughts that some members or leaders may have that their church may be better than another based upon the denomination or the God being worshipped. I think it comes down to the message being given. If you have a good messenger, then the experience and study can be of of great value.
a logical picture of what this world is. i don't think you have to be an evolutionist to find that answer.At least the evolutionist are attempting to put together a logical picture of what this world is rather than blindly following hearsay and fabricated urban legends.
i agree that blindly following something is silly.
but those that truly follow are not blind, but see the clearest of all.
regarding hearsay and fabricated urban legends...all i can say is...we should not let the noise distract us from the truth.
i would agree completely, but i have no cause to label evolutionists as ignorant or bigots.One is rooted in common sense and logic with an intent to grow and learn the other is rooted in bigotry and ignorance.
I miss these threads. Wish I could find more time to post here.
God Bless.
I think Spurstalk misses your posts too. I'd like to see you post more. I hope your business and family are doing well. God Bless you too.
unfortunately, the opinion you are expressing is shared by many.
there are numerous reasons why one would feel this way.
if one's heart is hardened, then i can see why one may feel that way.
the other possibility is that one may let their intellect get in their way, along with their ego.
lastly, the Church they have attended in the past may not have been preaching the proper message clearly.
We don't know . Our ancestors 2000 years ago knew a tiny fraction of what we know now.
Therefore, ancient ancestors knowing more about the universe and who created it goes against logic and reasoning. I mean seriously. For thousands of years, people thought bad meat being left out created flies...
so I'll never get an appeal to religion for the answers (converse of being an atheist)
These weekly threads are hilarious.
Where is that damn boot?
There are many things that are nothing but noise and a waste of time for some. I happen to enjoy going to Mass but yeah, I can see how one could come up with that conclusion. To each his own.
with regard to our Creator, what more do we know now that we didn't know 2000 years ago?
if i'm interpreting your post correctly, what you speak of is technology, which has no doubt enabled us to realize our molecular composition on a level never before possible.
agreed.
but no matter how much one can determine about the ingredients, they will be no closer to determining the chef if the chef has never been seen.
too often we cannot see the forest for the trees.
logic and reasoning could also lead to the conclusion that all this technology that has been developed is leading us further away from the truth, as we become self consumed with our toys and our gadgets and operate in our well crafted silos.
meanwhile, children in need around the world go hungry and without medication due to greed and apathy, both corporate and individual.
are we closer now than in the past? i'm not so sure.
will we be closer tomorrow? i hope so.
4thly, the church is nothing more than a money making or self serving vehicle for the people there, pastor included.
There is a very large number of affluent churches on the north side of town. Apparently God attends to the needs of the rich before the needs of the poor.
Which religion's creator are you referring to?
If you are referring to the creator of the Bible, we now know the Earth and the universe are billions of years old which means that the creator in this Bible does not speak in literal terms.
wtf?but no matter how much one can determine about the ingredients, they will be no closer to determining the chef if the chef has never been seen.
too often we cannot see the forest for the trees.
too often people cross the street without looking both ways as well.
so the creator gave us the ability to develop technology, and being omniscient, knew it would ultimately lead us away from the truth?logic and reasoning could also lead to the conclusion that all this technology that has been developed is leading us further away from the truth, as we become self consumed with our toys and our gadgets and operate in our well crafted silos.
mankind has always had toys of some kind to play with.
meanwhile, churches around the world continue to prosper.meanwhile, children in need around the world go hungry and without medication due to greed and apathy, both corporate and individual.
"Live long and prosper."
When I always thought about the religious and their death-grip upon their beliefs, I more or less pictured them being challenged and reacting almost identically to the way mouse does.
Truth is, turns out, most are nothing like that. Theyre usually benevolent (bigzak, angel, Joe, etc). But the very few do indeed foam at the mouth and continue to consciously ignore everything and anything around them that even leads them to question or ponder their belief system.
Keep your fingers in your ears, its fine. I know I dont care, but must you always start a thread with some new bull you pulled from a creationist site every week like you just found the Holy Trump Card in the argument?
Because you havent found it, nor will you ever.
Do you want to know why? No? Too bad.
You lack intellectual honesty which is, by far, the biggest hurdle for the deranged to even grasp or admit. You are incapable, completely and utterly incapable of separating your beliefs from actual, measurable science. Take Phen, for instance. Obviously, a God warrior through and through, but still has the ability to separate his beliefs from his scientific pursuits and interests. At least long enough to question validity (as any inquisitive mind should, when properly tooled, that is) and draw his own, sometimes bizarre, conclusions.
To me, when it comes to this (weekly) topic, youre devoid of anything that could even be confused as credibility. Youre only good for a laugh and laugh heartily I do, indeed.
BigSnack/Joe = Respectable theists
DP2ProCon = Bible thumping re , which was implied from the "ProCon" in his s/n.
...and unwilling because of the ramifications that might come from separating the two
I dunno. He's still not giving in to the universe being billions of years old...Take Phen, for instance. Obviously, a God warrior through and through, but still has the ability to separate his beliefs from his scientific pursuits and interests. At least long enough to question validity (as any inquisitive mind should, when properly tooled, that is) and draw his own, sometimes bizarre, conclusions.
he's still under the impression that he's right about a younger universe and that the rest of us are just sheep following "science's" lead.
My curiosity kills me. I gotta see what's being said in these threads every time.To me, when it comes to this (weekly) topic, youre devoid of anything that could even be confused as credibility. Youre only good for a laugh and laugh heartily I do, indeed.
when you say 'the church', you are painting with a broad stroke.
while what you say may be true for many, it is not true for all.
we should not let the actions of the misguided pervert our faith in THE CHURCH.
i understand what you are saying about the churches with the money to build fantastical houses of God. however, unless one digs deeper than the surface, and investigates what each Church gives back to the community, a true opinion should not be formed.
I am referring to the singular deity known as Our Creator.
I personally use the name, God.
But as you well know, each true religion has it's own name.
wtf?
too often people cross the street without looking both ways as well.
exactly, and is that something you would consider wise?
so the creator gave us the ability to develop technology, and being omniscient, knew it would ultimately lead us away from the truth?
mankind has always had toys of some kind to play with.
i have a very high appreciation for technology and the opportunities that it can provide us with. However, again, you are painting with too broad a stroke. Certain technologies are developed to serve the individual. Others to serve mankind. I bet you can guess which one our Creator would like us to focus on.
until THE CHURCH prospers, the people around the world will continue to suffer.meanwhile, churches around the world continue to prosper.
THE CHURCH is a non for monetary profit organization.
I thought it was understood that I meant "4thly the church(es) I have attended."
my bad.
bull crap.i understand what you are saying about the churches with the money to build fantastical houses of God. however, unless one digs deeper than the surface, and investigates what each Church gives back to the community, a true opinion should not be formed.
If a tax exempt organization is building itself a fantastical house of God for it's own church members and not build equal or better houses of God for poverty stricken people on the other sides of town, then it's not hard for me to form an opinion that they are hypocritical of Jesus' teachings.
Ha!!! Ya'll need to go to my church!!!
you're painting too broad a stroke.
What religions are true? Which religions refer to the same God you are referring to?
wise but irrelevant to the topic at hand.exactly, and is that something you would consider wise?
TV ministries?i have a very high appreciation for technology and the opportunities that it can provide us with. However, again, you are painting with too broad a stroke. Certain technologies are developed to serve the individual. Others to serve mankind. I bet you can guess which one our Creator would like us to focus on.
No, I can't guess which "one". Please tell me.
WHAT church?until THE CHURCH prospers, the people around the world will continue to suffer.
THE CHURCH is a non for monetary profit organization.
You are painting too broad of a stroke.
I can rattle off a good number of very propserous churches in San Antonio, Texas, the US, Vatican City and the World.
do they serve martinis?Ha!!! Ya'll need to go to my church!!!
No, but they cure hang overs!!!
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