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    No, I'm asking why Israel doesn't allow crayons.

    Do you know?
    Oren said something to the effect of, "Gaza is a dangerous area run by people whose mission it is to destroy Israel. We send in [so many trucks a day] and didn't feel we were obligated to provide them with things like snack foods."

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    Israel has no dogs?
    I don't know enough about detonators to know if they actually contain explosives themselves, or are just superconductors for heat.

    Anyway, like I said: it was only a guess. There has to be a reason something as specific as crayons were banned which transcends Israel's desire not to foster young Palestinian artists, though.

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    How about flour and cooking oil and chickpeas?

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    How about flour and cooking oil and chickpeas?
    According to Oren, Israel saw those things as luxuries they aren't obligated to let in. Maybe if Hamas stopped firing rockets and released the soldier they kidnapped 4 years ago, Israel would be more amenable to letting everything through.

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    According to Oren, Israel saw those things as luxuries they aren't obligated to let in.
    Are they luxuries according to you?

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    At least the young Palestinian kids still have educational TV programs to watch







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    Are they luxuries according to you?
    In this case I'd say I can't blame Israel for banning them. Flour is probably the biggest of those that might cause problems for the people in Gaza but is it a necessity? Again, maybe if their ELECTED government would stop firing rockets and kidnapping soldiers, they wouldn't have to wait to get flour, cooking oil, and chickpeas. I feel like there's an extreme double standard here. Israel is blasted for imposing a blockade (NO CRAYONS!!! The HORROR!) but no one cares that Hamas fires rockets TO KILL CIVILIANS and kidnaps soldiers. If you know anything about the military in Israel, you know that many soldiers are 18-20 years old. They're kids. But hey, it's cool. I mean, how bad could 4 years be without letting the Red Cross or anyone else see you. I'm sure he's fine.

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    There's about 600,000 Gazans who didn't vote for the Hamas. Did they all deserve to get on too?

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    There's about 600,000 Gazans who didn't vote for the Hamas. Did they all deserve to get on too?
    Do they deserve it? No. But if they want things to change they need to make it happen whether it's through the press or through politics.

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    But hey, it's cool. I mean, how bad could 4 years be without letting the Red Cross or anyone else see you. I'm sure he's fine.
    I get it. It's ing serious. I hope Gilad Shalit survives and thrives.

    But let's get past the the conceit that anybody has clean hands here.

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    I get it. It's ing serious. I hope Gilad Shalit survives and thrives.

    But let's get past the the conceit that anybody has clean hands here.
    I've never claimed anyone has clean hands but no one ever talks about the other side. People care so much about the Palestinian suffering. Let's bring them aid and provoke the Israelis instead of working towards a solution. The first step towards a solution is getting Hamas out of power. But no one (seemingly) cares.

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    BTW, your stance that flour and cooking oil are luxuries is borderline unhinged.

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    It's so obviously wrong I have a hard time seeing how it could possibly be right.

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    Why is it so obviously wrong? Do you need oil to cook things?

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    The first step towards a solution is getting Hamas out of power. But no one (seemingly) cares.
    Toward this end, any means at all will do, correct?

    Isn't it just possible that the severity of the blockade and related security measures props up the adversary, inspires its recruits and radicalizes the beseiged?

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    Why is it so obviously wrong? Do you need oil to cook things?
    Go away with yourself. That's crazy talk.

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    Toward this end, any means at all will do, correct?

    Isn't it just possible that the severity of the blockade and related security measures props up the adversary, inspires its recruits and radicalizes the beseiged?
    I'll follow up your question with a question of my own. If Israel were to eliminate the blockade, do you think the people in Gaza would cease their attacks?

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    Do they deserve it? No. But if they want things to change they need to make it happen whether it's through the press or through politics.
    It's their own damn fault.

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    I'll follow up your question with a question of my own. If Israel were to eliminate the blockade, do you think the people in Gaza would cease their attacks?
    I doubt it.

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    Go away with yourself. That's crazy talk.
    Crazy talk for a crazy situation. I really don't blame them for restrictions on something that can be used as an accelerant.

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    I've never claimed anyone has clean hands but no one ever talks about the other side.


    No one?

    Really?

    That's your position?

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    Would the attacks cease or diminish if Hamas was out of power?

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    But lodging responsibility with "the people of Gaza" is a bit vague semantically. Does that mean everybody? Or just some of them?

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    I'll follow up your question with a question of my own. If Israel were to eliminate the blockade, do you think the people in Gaza would cease their attacks?
    Is the flour blockade causing them to cease their attacks?

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