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    Whoa. That's deep. spurschick's Avatar
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    I agree with the idea, but I think it sucks that this small town is going to go broke with the legal bills.



    http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/15/wiccan.ap/

    Woman wins lawsuit over prayers in council meetings; wants fees paid

    GREAT FALLS, South Carolina (AP) -- A small South Carolina town is facing a hefty legal bill after losing a battle over whether it should stop using Jesus Christ's name in prayers before council meetings.

    The U.S. Supreme Court refused in June to hear the Great Falls' appeal of a lower court ruling over the prayers.

    Now Darla Wynne wants Great Falls to pay her more than $65,000 to cover legal bills. A judge is expected to rule on the matter within the next two months.

    Wynne, who describes herself as a Wiccan priestess, sued Great Falls in 2001, saying the town violated the separation between church and state by using the name Jesus Christ in prayers because it promoted one religion, Christianity, over the another.

    The money is not covered by insurance, and it is unclear where the town of about 2,200 residents would get the cash. The amount is about 7 percent of its annual budget.

    "It'll be an enormous undertaking for us," town attorney Michael Hemlepp said.

    Wynne's lawyer said attorneys had incurred only about $18,000 in expenses before the town decided to appeal. "We spent two years in extra litigation while they went to the U.S. Supreme Court, and I think the case was clear from the beginning," said attorney Herbert Buhl.

    The Rev. Michael Sollers, pastor of Evangel Temple Assembly of God, said most of the town supported the council's decision to keep fighting the case and would be willing to help pay the legal fees.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Sounds to me like the town threw their religious dice and they came up craps!


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    If socialists within the ACLU would stick to their strict utilitarianism, then they would recognize that this was not worth it for one person who got pissed off.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    If socialists within the ACLU would stick to their strict utilitarianism, then they would recognize that this was not worth it for one person who got pissed off.
    Your right, where are the protestants on this?

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    See you when it burns SWC Bonfire's Avatar
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    You're right, where are the protestants on this?
    ???

    This woman will probably have to leave town anyway, because no one will want to deal with her after the time she spent ting on her neighbors and raising their taxes.

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    yeah if you have a case or lawsuit against the city, just forget it, youll raise everyones taxes

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    See you when it burns SWC Bonfire's Avatar
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    yeah if you have a case or lawsuit against the city, just forget it, youll raise everyones taxes
    Great Falls, SC - Population 2194.

    $65,000 / 2194 people = almost $30 per man, woman & child.

    All because she couldn't stand someone saying Jesus Christ.

    Jesus Christ, this woman is a selfish, self-centered child. We're not talking about any denial of civil rights here, she was offended by WORDS (not even meant to offend) and wants $65,000 from her neighbors for it. Grow the up & maybe help some people in the community.

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    shes not the city bookkeeper
    65 large isnt that much as far as suits go
    what if a jewish dude or some hindu guy wants to speak at a meeting, I can imagine theyd feel nervous or not welcomed
    thats why they have laws
    freedom of religion is freedom from religion too

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Your right, let's add the words Mohammed and Satan while were at it and everyone can just ignore those parts too.

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    See you when it burns SWC Bonfire's Avatar
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    Well, the "Is this really worth it?" test was bypassed in this case. Trivial fodder like this is like "the boy who cries wolf" for something that is important, like racial bigotry.

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    I'm gonna have to side against the city here, grudgingly. They didn't have to fight it in court, and they certainly didn't have to appeal. They were in the wrong from the beginning, no matter how petty their offense was.

    Now, maybe someone will volunteer to camp out and watch for her to make one wrong move during one of her animal sacrifices or whatever.

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    Well, the "Is this really worth it?" test was bypassed in this case. Trivial fodder like this is like "the boy who cries wolf" for something that is important, like racial bigotry.
    I think the town should have taken the "is this really worth it" test as well. You can't have a double standard just because she is fighting against the norm. You also stated that, "she was offended by WORDS." Is that out of the ordinary? Also, as far as I know, wiccans don't sacrifice animals.

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    wiccans have a close bond with nature and i assume a great respect for living things


    it's actually kind of eerie--go find a wiccan and take your pet dog by him/her

    dogs love wiccans as much as they hate black people




    You might be right...i remember my old dog used to like hanging around some wiccan woman i knew

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    Just another freedom of speech loving leftist..... it can only be freedom of speech if it agree's with the lefts point of view...

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    Just another bunch of Xtians with their panties in a wad. They KNOW what the ing cons ution says, yet feel compelled to act like a two year old having a tantrum.

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    This ..er...witch... needs a good burning at the stake...

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    She's the one who undertook this "challenge" so she should be responsible for every cent.`

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    "she should be responsible for every cent."`

    Had she LOST the litigation, she would have.
    Since when do legal winners lose the litigation costs?

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    Madeline O'hare reincarnated!

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    She's the one who undertook this "challenge" so she should be responsible for every cent.`
    Uh, actually, she won on the lower levels, and the town, which had the option, kept appealing. Can you read?

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    So did wade pay rowe's attorney's fees when she won?

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    Usually attorney's fees are only awarded in cases where one party has been seen as acting in "bad faith" these are the ones that we are commonly aware of. Another case is when the legal action created a fund of money for others. The town should not be punished by doing what they had the RIGHT to do, the town had every right to appeal.

    *edit* cases with a federal agency or the US may also be awarded court fees.

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    yes the cons utions gives us freedom of religion... which means you can practice it in public without persecution.... like getting sued for praying in the name of Jesus....

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    which means you can practice it in public without persecution....
    Never heard of that guarantee. Also never heard of anyone being legally hassled in their homes or churches, which is where religion belongs. Don't pray, don't tell....

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    yes the cons utions gives us freedom of religion... which means you can practice it in public without persecution.... like getting sued for praying in the name of Jesus....
    should stop using Jesus Christ's name in prayers before council meetings
    it wasn't in public, it was during council meetings

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