Tired of hearing Kobe = or > MJ

[Killakobe81]

Kobe is an absolute beast, and gets hated on unfairly a LOT. We saw that recently in the thread about people thinking KG > Kobe, etc... And I tend to defend Kobe a lot in those situations. I also defend him when people say that he absolutely doesnt even compare to MJ in any way, shape or form, that MJ would drop 80 on him and hold Kobe to -22 points, etc... because some people knobslob MJ wayyyyyy too much, and say completely untrue stuff. But likewise, I don't like the excessive props he gets at times by re ed fans as well, especially when sayings he is borderline or superior to MJ greatness, because thats completely untrue as well. He deserves his props... IMO he is a top 10, probably top 5 player ever. But people gotta quit arguing his greatness based off emotion.

stretch brining the goods.

One qualifier to my top 5 statement ...

I have said many times i dont factor ball BEFORE 1980 ...

I understand MANy here are comfortable using stats, NBA classic games or whatever to make their judgements.

I go by players I saw. Do i think wilt is top 5? Probably but I NEVER saw him play so how could i say for sure?

As for duncan and shaq yeah he is better than shaq cuz i will Take Kobe's great over 12 years OVER shaq's dominance of of 7 and peak of 3 which even in his peak he really only played well in the playoffs ...

Finals Shaq>Finals kobe no doubt about it ...overall Kobe>Shaq

duncan is tougher to call I think it's close and this le gives Kobe the edge IMHO but the thread i started last night was to be a . I think you could make cases either way.

Out of the guys I have seen:
1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Bird
9. Isiah
10. KG

My 10th spot is up for debate I considered Pippen, Barkley, Malone stockton , GP Kidd etc.

But I left off those guys for being ringless or in Pippens case never ringing a the top guy ...

OBTW i know advanced stats fans will argue that of course you can make debates that way ...but I disagree.

I think i heard last night Russel grabbed 30 rebounds in a finals game how do i judge that?

Never saw it ...not sure if he was rebounding against a bunch of midgets ...

I respectll and ALL his rings but the stts useless to me ...if i did not see the performance.

If i was a College football scout and someone told me a kid in Dumbfyuck Wash ran for 30 TD's in a season ...what would I do go watch him in person or request the tape ...

I trust my "eyes"

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't read the entire OP, because MJ vs. Kobe isn't an argument, Kobe's legacy is severely lacking in comparison to Mike's..

I'm curious as to the argument of Kobe being top 5 though..can anybody present a good argument that would help sway me?..

[SomeCallMeTim]

Or you could argue that Kobe took 14 full seasons to get 5, while Jordan took 11 full seasons to get 6 (make it 11 1/2 if you want to include the year he broke his leg and the year he came back with like 15 games left, which in total he only played 35 games with those two combined)

Why would you not include those years? Of course they count. Not to mention the Wiz years. You think Jordan Jockers would exclude les from those seasons had he won them?

It is just silly the way people cherry-pick seasons and stats to justify their arguments.

That said: MJ >> Kobe. It's hard to frame an argument otherwise. Which just makes it all the more mystifying that Jordan Jockers would ever try to do so...

[Killakobe81]

I didn't read the entire OP, because MJ vs. Kobe isn't an argument, Kobe's legacy is severely lacking in comparison to Mike's..

I'm curious as to the argument of Kobe being top 5 though..can anybody present a good argument that would help sway me?..

I doubt it cuz my top 5 starts in 1980 ...

If anyone has access to some real good game tapes of Russell or Wilt like the WHOLE finals they played ...I would love to see those maybe Id change my mind on only judging post 1980 players ...

I almost bought the Celtics DYNASTY DVD just so I could see more than the occasional NBA classic game cut and spliced to judge those guys ...

I would also love 70's era Kareem ...

[stretch]

Why would you not include those years? Of course they count. Not to mention the Wiz years. You think Jordan Jockers would exclude les from those seasons had he won them?

It is just silly the way people cherry-pick seasons and stats to justify their arguments.

That said: MJ >> Kobe. It's hard to frame an argument otherwise. Which just makes it all the more mystifying that Jordan Jockers would ever try to do so...

What the argument was, is that Kobe seemingly has won more les in a smaller timespan than Jordan, so I brought out stats to counter it. You didn't consider the context whatsoever.