So wait. Beating Italy counts because they're reigning world champs... but predicting France, WHO WAS IN THE FINAL WITH ITALY in the last World Cup is a bad call? I forget, how did Mexico do in that World Cup? Ohhhh right, you lost in the round of 16. So Italy is a big win because they're champs, but France is because they only made the Final. Your logic is hilarious.
Ah, so here we go. Your other rants include "winning is all that matters" and "the end result is what counts", EXCEPT where America is concerned, in which case we just "got lucky", despite having numerous attacking runs against England.You guys almost beat England? Last time I checked, a goalkeeper was replaced today for something that happened that game, care to explain what that was? 1-1 win right?
No, we were totally lucky. Your draw was so much better. How many more points did you score for that draw against England?
They played a game against Mexico and everyone knows it. The commentators talked about it, the analysts were saying it. Everyone is fairly certain the career of the French coach will be a short one from here on.If they're such a horrible team, why didn't Uruguay beat them just as bad?
Ah, so this counts, but beating the #1 team in the world means nothing. Got it.Outplaying Brazil for 40-50 minute doesn't mean jack if outplaying England doesn't either. If you really want to go with the "outplaying" we've been doing it to teams like Brazil and Argentina for a while, obviously as you can tell it means nothing unless you win. What did the US do in Copa America? How'd they fare in 07 in their group? Mexico won that group, who had Brazil, chile, and Ecuador in the group.
Either it does, or it doesn't. I'd like you to show some consistency instead of talking about how amazing your draw to England was as a rationale for why Mexico > USA.Mexico outplayed Argentina in 06, but we lost the match... does that really count?
Your best win in the history of the USA apparently was against Spain... and it's sad, because it doesn't mean anything.You're right. Only Mexican victories count.
Neither is England, yet you're talking up your victories (draws) so much, you'd think they are.Spain isn't the reigning World Cup Champion....
When was the last time they played in a tournament or a World Cup? When was the last time France has played that poorly? You're such a homer if you think that team was anything more than a s of it's former self.Algeria would beat France right now?
With all the smack you're talking, you had better make it to the final 4 teams this year in the World Cup.No win against the US is valid... the fact that they got 5-0'd was just hilarious... it's not like we didn't expect to crush them.
I'm just pointing out how ridiculous some of your statements are. Anytime you have to resort to an ad-hominem attack, you're on shaky ground.Are you serious? That's what you have? a Laker fan insult?
oh give me a ing break. You can't use that bull excuse forever. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The reality of the matter is, the US doesn't lack funds nor athletic ability to excell in football. They lack something else. What that is, well, you're going to have to figure that out to win something, now, won't you?
It gets so ing tiring hearing American's pull the "we'd win everything if we bothered to try" bull . There's literally no other fans in the world with that amount of narcissism. Most bother to win something first.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact.
There's NO guarantee that we would win if we played our best athletes. We might never win a World Cup even with our best players available.
However, if you're dismissing the importance for a nation to actually have an interest in the sport as a national culture as it correlates to growing young, skilled players, you're crazy. Soccer hasn't really caught on in the US yet, and you think that doesn't affect the quality of the players on the field?
Most kids in the US grow up wanting to play football, baseball, or basketball, and in some areas hockey. That's a massive disparity between the US and the rest of the world, and it DOES affect the talent we put onto our soccer pitches.
Congrats US on great comeback and great game. I had a blast.
Now you can beat Algeria and we will beat England and all is good.
I don't doubt that the US would be a very good football nation if it applied itself. Whether they win anything boils to something completely different. As it stands, the US isn't very good right now. That would change drastically if you had a more focused approach to it. Don't really think that will happen soon though. Too many passtimes.
Well, we had a brilliant second half today, and almost did something that's never been accomplished in World Cup history.
yeah, but you began losing 2-0 against a team most people thought you'd beat easily. I wouldn't use today's game as an example of US football strength. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was pretty damn exceptional. Still doesn't really cut it.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if the US made to the semi finals this WC. All the top teams are playing like .
As a US Soccer fan, I agree the "we'd be good if we tried" argument is lame. You go tell our players they are subpar athletes that don't try. You're an idiot if you believe that. You think LeBron James would be a good soccer player??? Probably not unless he were to be a goal keeper (which the US consistently fields 1st class quality players). We send our top soccer athletes out on our soccer team. We just aren't as good as the rest of the world yet.
You know what? I hate the "we'd be good if we tried" argument as much as you do, but it's the ing truth. What's so idiotic about believing LeBron James would be a good soccer player? He's athletically gifted, first and foremost. The rest is just technical ability. He's grown up playing bball, so he has a specific skill set that is maximized by his physical ability. No disrespect to the US National team, but I would fear the physical specimens we have playing American Football and basketball far more on the pitch than a Landon Donovan or Clint Dempsey (for the record, two of my all-time favorite players).
I stand by the argument that if our best athletes grew up playing "futbol," the US would be far more respected in the game.
Spoken like someone that doesn't have a ing clue what football is all about. How many 6.8ft football players do you see that are any good? 1? 2? and they don't crack the top 30 by a long shot. LeBron's attibutes are great for basketball and maybe even american football, but "soccer"?
Football is not a brute force game, so LeBron's size doesn't really offer him much in terms of mobility. He'd probably have a mean header though, I'll give you that. Otherwise, driblling ability would be non existant. Not with that size.
Again, really ing tiring narcissism
Barry Sanders, on the other hand, is the kind of guy who probably would have made a great soccer player.
LeBron? Might be a good situational player in the box a la Toni, though I hated Toni's guts.
Think more along the lines of Chris Paul, Deron, Kobe, Rondo, DeSean Jackson, MJD, Revis, Aso, C. Bailey, Austin, Steve Smith, Ocho, etc.
You're bound to find a few exceptional soccer players out of the NBA and NFL talent pool.
I have absolutely no doubt the US would have exceptional football players if their interest lay that way. It doesn't, therefore until they do, pointless speculation is just that.
LOL NBA players in soccer. Canīt even imagine how dumb would they look like.
Did I say anything about size? I said athletic ability. That's not "narcissism," that's fact. And where did I say his ability would help him dribble? I've played "football" before, quit assuming I'm just another stuck-up American for you to flame.
You're honestly gonna tell me that a US team comprised of (hypothetically) players with Reggie Bush's speed and footwork and James' height and athletic ability wouldn't hold its own on a world stage. Go take a ing hike.
You have more than 2.000.000 active soccer players and you canīt find stronger (LeBronze type) players? GMFB.
I'm saying your parallels have no ing logic what so ever. James' height and athletism DON'T translate into football well. I don't give a how much "soccer" you've played
and second, I'm not saying the US couldn't hold its own on the world stage were it to apply itself to football. I'm saying they're not likely to win everything like people like you are fond of implying.
I do honestly believe LeBron would absolutely suck at fooball. No question about it.
P.S. Your whole "we would win everything if we sent our best athletes" bull qualifies you as "just another stuck-up American". You're just so convinced of your bull that you don't realize exactly how stuck up you sound.
It's not that we can't "find" stronger players--if you've got LeBron's size or athletic ability in the US, though--you'd be foolish to not try to maximize that in a sport like American football or basketball.
So then the likeness to Toni was a good one, eh?
If you were to transports 2 million Americas who weren't fatasses to a place where soccer is a way of life and the compe ion is greater, then you could build a team similarly as good. Problem is most Americans who play soccer stop as soon as their YMCA eligibility expires or sooner.
Then we're in agreement on the US being able to hold its own on the world stage. I've never implied that the US would win everything--even if we had the best players in the world, stuff would still happen "that's why they play the game."I'm saying your parallels have no ing logic what so ever. James' height and athletism DON'T translate into football well. I don't give a how much "soccer" you've played
and second, I'm not saying the US couldn't hold its own on the world stage were it to apply itself to football. I'm saying they're not likely to win everything like people like you are fond of implying.
I do honestly believe LeBron would absolutely suck at fooball. No question about it.
The LeBron thing really is neither here nor there--I was just running with an analogy someone else brought up. I'm pretty sure, though, that athletic ability can translate into any sport if the proper skill set is learned early enough, but that's just my opinion. Am I insinuating that LeBron could pick up soccer right now and be good at it? no.
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