Rumor out of NY: Big Blockbuster Draft Night Deal

[spursfaninla]

They can still trade Bosh if he chooses NOT to opt out. Who knows, maybe he has a *wink wink* promise from New York to re-sign him to the max NEXT summer if he doesn't opt out now.

It makes sense if you are NY. You get Bosh via trade, and still have enough to sign Lebron and possibly another max FA. Wade or Dirk maybe??? Can you imagine the Knicks with Bosh, Lebron, and Dirk/Wade all together?

If the Spurs participate in this trade it will be for Jefferson, rather than TP. One guy on SR guessed we get Al Harrington for RJ. Would have to be a sign & trade after July 1st if that were the case though. And would probably have to include Gallinari or Wilson Chandler to make the #'s match.

Don't see why NY would want to do that, or why they need the Spurs in that case either.

makes no sense.

[Dunc n Dave]

Actually, looking at the Knicks salaries... their best bet is to get someone to take Eddy Curry and his $11 million player option off their hands. Maybe they are willing to part with Chandler or Gallinari if Curry is included in the deal. That way they still have max $$$ to lure Lebron and Wade/Dirk to play alongside Bosh.

Surely the Spurs wouldn't take Curry and Gallinari for RJ?

Toronto gets RJ $14.2
Knicks get Bosh $15.7 mill
Spurs get Curry, Gallinari $13.5 mill

The #'s work...

This deal is possible before July 1st since all are currently under contract. You throw in any of the Knicks FA's and the deal has to wait until July 1st to be done.

[taps]

It amazes me how many people want to trade Tony.

Favors + Harris = CHAMPIONSHIP

I thought you knew.

[Mel_13]

They can still trade Bosh if he chooses NOT to opt out. Who knows, maybe he has a *wink wink* promise from New York to re-sign him to the max NEXT summer if he doesn't opt out now.

It makes sense if you are NY. You get Bosh via trade, and still have enough to sign Lebron and possibly another max FA. Wade or Dirk maybe??? Can you imagine the Knicks with Bosh, Lebron, and Dirk/Wade all together?

If the Spurs participate in this trade it will be for Jefferson, rather than TP. One guy on SR guessed we get Al Harrington for RJ. Would have to be a sign & trade after July 1st if that were the case though. And would probably have to include Gallinari or Wilson Chandler to make the #'s match.

Scenarios based on this premise are dead on arrival. Not merely because such arrangements are specifically prohibited and can result in serious penalties for the offenders (see Joe Smith, Minnesota fiasco).

There is simply zero chance that Bosh does this. He is in line for a 6yr/127M contract this summer. That is the maximum amount he can get under the 2005 CBA. If he did as you suggest, his next contract would come under the terms of the 2011 CBA. Maximum salary and maximum length of contract are both likely to reduced under the new CBA. There's no way he takes that risk as well as the risk that he suffers an injury that significantly reduces his market value.

So, zero chance that Bosh plays out the final year of his current contract. He will opt out and sign a max deal under the current rules.

[Dunc n Dave]

Scenarios based on this premise are dead on arrival. Not merely because such arrangements are specifically prohibited and can result in serious penalties for the offenders (see Joe Smith, Minnesota fiasco).

There is simply zero chance that Bosh does this. He is in line for a 6yr/127M contract this summer. That is the maximum amount he can get under the 2005 CBA. If he did as you suggest, his next contract would come under the terms of the 2011 CBA. Maximum salary and maximum length of contract are both likely to reduced under the new CBA. There's no way he takes that risk as well as the risk that he suffers an injury that significantly reduces his market value.

So, zero chance that Bosh plays out the final year of his current contract. He will opt out and sign a max deal under the current rules.

Zero chance, huh? Did Bosh tell you that? Say hi for me next time you talk to him...

If doing so allows him to play with not only Lebron but also DWade or Dirk for the next 5+ years, I'd say there's a "small chance" he'd consider it.... but then again, I didn't talk to him, so what do I know

[Zocalo]

Well that was interesting...

I tell them that they are being attention s for just speculating...

One of the mods replies to me... and a then a few hours later...

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1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
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Typical...

[Mel_13]

Zero chance, huh? Did Bosh tell you that? Say hi for me next time you talk to him...

If doing so allows him to play with not only Lebron but also DWade or Dirk for the next 5+ years, I'd say there's a "small chance" he'd consider it.... but then again, I didn't talk to him, so what do I know

No professional athlete is giving up over 100M in guaranteed money to increase his chance at winning.

[Darthkiller]

Actually, looking at the Knicks salaries... their best bet is to get someone to take Eddy Curry and his $11 million player option off their hands. Maybe they are willing to part with Chandler or Gallinari if Curry is included in the deal. That way they still have max $$$ to lure Lebron and Wade/Dirk to play alongside Bosh.

Surely the Spurs wouldn't take Curry and Gallinari for RJ?

Toronto gets RJ $14.2
Knicks get Bosh $15.7 mill
Spurs get Curry, Gallinari $13.5 mill

The #'s work...

This deal is possible before July 1st since all are currently under contract. You throw in any of the Knicks FA's and the deal has to wait until July 1st to be done.

knicks arent trading gallinari, how many times do i have to say this, gallinari is untouchble. espcially not for bosh when knicks can just sign straight up.

[TimDunkem]

Why the wouldn't Bosh opt-out if he's basically guaranteed a fat payday this summer?

[ChuckD]

Zero chance, huh? Did Bosh tell you that? Say hi for me next time you talk to him...

If doing so allows him to play with not only Lebron but also DWade or Dirk for the next 5+ years, I'd say there's a "small chance" he'd consider it.... but then again, I didn't talk to him, so what do I know

Bosh doesn't have to tell him that. Common sense does.

Do you have ANY idea what is going to happen to the players in 2011? Their wages are going to drop sharply. Stern is a pimp, and always slaps down the players, who are never ready for a work stoppage. The early word is that a top contract will be $8M a year after the new CBA is enacted. Contracts will also be shorter.

6 yrs/$127M now
5 yrs/$40M next summer

Does Chris Bosh really need to say anything about this?

[Chieflion]

Bosh doesn't have to tell him that. Common sense does.

Do you have ANY idea what is going to happen to the players in 2011? Their wages are going to drop sharply. Stern is a pimp, and always slaps down the players, who are never ready for a work stoppage. The early word is that a top contract will be $8M a year after the new CBA is enacted. Contracts will also be shorter.

6 yrs/$127M now
5 yrs/$40M next summer

Does Chris Bosh really need to say anything about this?

Stern slaps down the players. You are smarter than I thought.

[Dunc n Dave]

Bosh doesn't have to tell him that. Common sense does.

Do you have ANY idea what is going to happen to the players in 2011? Their wages are going to drop sharply. Stern is a pimp, and always slaps down the players, who are never ready for a work stoppage. The early word is that a top contract will be $8M a year after the new CBA is enacted. Contracts will also be shorter.

6 yrs/$127M now
5 yrs/$40M next summer

Does Chris Bosh really need to say anything about this?

That's all speculation. Will salaries go down? Most likely, yes. But I doubt a MAX deal will go down to $8 million when you have guys making over $20 million right now and the current MID-LEVEL deal is over $5 million.

Maybe they won't go down that much, especially if the NBA moves away from FULLY guaranteed contracts (like the NFL does). That way top players can earn top dollar still while teams can erase mistake signings by waiving non-star players and only paying a % of the remaining contract. Guys like Eddy Curry wasting away on the Knicks bench for the last 2 years at $11 million a season because they can't afford to cut him are killing teams financially(not the Knicks, or course).

Point is: Bosh can still get the max next summer. Maybe is it only $15 million a year instead of $17-20million. But after toiling away in Toronto for years, I think there's a chance he foregoes the extra $3-5 million a year to play on a GUARANTEED championship contender for the next 5+ years. A team with Wade, Lebron, and Bosh is guaranteed to make it AT LEAST to the 2nd round or farther every year. Can't get that kind of a guarantee by taking the $20 million max from Toronto for the next 7 years.

I think there IS a chance...

[Mel_13]

I think there IS a chance...

That's fine. You're just not gonna generate much interest in a discussion based on that chance.

[Dunc n Dave]

That's fine. You're just not gonna generate much interest in a discussion based on that chance.

Duncan took less $$$ to be able to keep Parker and Manu with him, Bosh seems to be in the same mold as Duncan (when it comes to choosing winning over a fat payday). Not saying he'd play for the MLE, but...

He POSSIBLY takes less $$$ in the future (maybe...maybe not, depending on the CBA outcome), Lebron signs up, and then DWade would be a fool NOT to sign up to play with Lebron and Bosh. If Miami somehow gets him to stay, the Knicks go after Dirk or Stoudemire. Illegal or not, you know someone from the Knicks has found a way to relay a similar plan to him under the table. That stuff happens all the time, and just can't be proven.

If the Knicks can pull it off, it's the deal of the century and makes their next decade.

[Mel_13]

Duncan took less $$$

Duncan signed an extension covering the final two years of his career for about 10M less than the max. This means his career earnings will come to about 205M instead of 215M.

You're suggesting that Bosh will risk over 100M in future earnings. That's preposterous. You can believe what you like. Some people believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, that's their right. It doesn't mean other people are going to accept it as the basis for a serious conversation.

[RichB]

Keep ting on our site.

[MaNu4Tres]

Keep ting on our site.

With all due respect, you people are the ones that brought that crap over here.

Go post it at Hoopsworld where it belongs.

[Blackjack]

My blue ink is running out.

[baseline bum]

The early word is that a top contract will be $8M a year after the new CBA is enacted.

Where did you see that number? I can't see the NBAPA accepting that under any condition, even if it costs them a season.

[DMX7]

Knicks have nothing to offer us.

Toronto won't take RJ.

[EricB]

Spursreport


Hows the "secret" Charles Smith workin out?

[ploto]

They can still trade Bosh if he chooses NOT to opt out.

From CBA...

Note that players with ending contracts (including players whose contracts might end due to an option or ETO) cannot be traded after the trading deadline.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q69

[MI21]

Keep ting on our site.

lol RichB

[ChuckD]

That's all speculation. Will salaries go down? Most likely, yes. But I doubt a MAX deal will go down to $8 million when you have guys making over $20 million right now and the current MID-LEVEL deal is over $5 million.

Maybe they won't go down that much, especially if the NBA moves away from FULLY guaranteed contracts (like the NFL does). That way top players can earn top dollar still while teams can erase mistake signings by waiving non-star players and only paying a % of the remaining contract. Guys like Eddy Curry wasting away on the Knicks bench for the last 2 years at $11 million a season because they can't afford to cut him are killing teams financially(not the Knicks, or course).

Point is: Bosh can still get the max next summer. Maybe is it only $15 million a year instead of $17-20million. But after toiling away in Toronto for years, I think there's a chance he foregoes the extra $3-5 million a year to play on a GUARANTEED championship contender for the next 5+ years. A team with Wade, Lebron, and Bosh is guaranteed to make it AT LEAST to the 2nd round or farther every year. Can't get that kind of a guarantee by taking the $20 million max from Toronto for the next 7 years.

I think there IS a chance...

Wow, your string of ifs is longer than my grandmothers pearls. We'll go with it, though. Bosh signs his slightly lower non-guaranteed deal, and then blows his knee out...Shaun Livingston style. All the ligaments, tear up some cartilage, and throw in some nerve damage.

Three things I can GUARANTEE you that the owners are going to walk away with before basketball is played again following the 2011 Finals are a hard cap and the elimination of both the MLE and the Larry Bird Exception. If you're living under the hard cap and a player on a big contract has a career threatening injury, you're going to waive him. Forget the salary cost, you absolutely cannot afford to carry him on your cap for 2-3 years to see if he can re-hab. You think that could never happen, but I saw this rolled out in the NFL in the 90s. Guys DO get cut because they're injured. , guys get cut because they're OLD. It'll be up to the player to get some sort of injury insurance. The owners won't have to any more.

[TDMVPDPOY]

knicks who they tryin to rob...nazr was nice

but they fool us in butler...

cmon