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Because we rule and they are all jealous.
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Why is it that the rest of the World has “issues” with the US?
Knowing that the US represents freedom and democracy, why is it that so many people are su ious of the US or just flat out hate Americans?
I have my own ideas but I would like to hear the American POV on this issue.
Because we rule and they are all jealous.
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probably cause every freaking body in the world wants to live here... sheesh 40% of mexico wants to move to the US...
The other 60% is already here.
It's human nature for the unsucessful to resent the successful.
It's human nature for the weak to try and drag down the strong.
It's human nature for the poor to hate the rich.
The have nots to hate the havs.
We're like the Lakers, Yankees and Cowboys....
And we're not near as hated as it seems...just because unhappy people cry the loudest doesn't mean they are the majority.
Now explain to me why people hate the Spurs....aren't they the underdogs?
Spurs are like Japan???
There's more to it than that. There has been a tendency to impose our will on third world countries around the world that has gone on for decades. When we helped the Shah of Iran gain power in the 50s, that had consequences that we (Americans) were blind to until the 1979 hostage taking.
He overthrow our old ally Saddam Hussein but yet we help the Saudi royal family, Mubarek and Musharref. Those are three leaders that will eventually be overthrown by some sort of revolution (that will likely bring even worse people to power) but because we stand with them today, the people in those countries who are oppressed hate us as well.
We isolate Castro but we supported Pinochet. I'm not saying we are always wrong in these instances either but because we are the most powerful nation on earth, our actions have consequences that we often don't perceive.
There's not more to it than that...the rest of the world is ed in the head.
We didn't put Mubarrek in power...the Muslims did when they ing assasinated Sadat. What did Sadat want? Peace...Ooops...so much for the peace movement in the middle east.
We didn't put the Shah power...this is something I see every ing liberal say...and it amazes me how ignorant they are of history. We did not put the Shah of Iran in power. We did not do it. We didn't put him in power...we didn't put his father in power.
We did not put the Saudy Royal family power.
We did not Saddam Hussein in Power...Saddam was a ing socialist...does that sound like someone we are going to put in power? Or does that sound like some one the Russians wanted to put in power?
Yes we allied ourselves with the Shah....because when he was in the process of turning that into a Parliamentary Democracy...his ing PM tried to overthrow him and ally himself with the communists...
It's not like our goal over there is to put tyrants in power...we have put zero tyrants in power in the middle east...and the ing ones we have allied ourselves with we have always pressured for Democratic reform.
Yes we let allied ourselves with tyrants before letting a country fall to communism...because guess what...communism is tyrancy...and why that ing pisses the dumb muslims off is beyond me...their tyrants still let them be muslims...the communists sure as weren't.
But basically allying ourselves with any of these countries is going to piss off an element of their population...because they ing hate each other and always have...and the only thing that exceeds their hatred for each other...is their hatred for us in and the jews...
No...we do not deserve their hatred and indeed...if they were as motivated to fix their own ing countries and cultures...as th ey are to hate the US , kill civillians, and tryi to be 2 bit ing despot that thinks he knows what's best for 20 million people...they wouldn't be a hole.
Their culture, which is based in religious and racial bigoty is failing...it's been failing since about the 16th centurty when they ceased to be progressive...the rest of the world has passed them by in every aspect...and instead of trying to join the rest of the world...they are trying to drag the rest of the world down and backwards.
And I fully support nuking their ing culture off the planet before letting them suceed...if they end up getting us first...more power to em...I guess they were the culture and ideology best suited to survive after all. Nature does not lie.
And thanks to our rampant liberalism and unwillingness to do what is necessary to defend ourselves...that thinks these people want peace and not to rule us..they will probably will succeed in destroying us.
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The issue is that US policy is guided by often conflicting goals. In addition to promoting democracy and freedom and human rights, the US also wants the world good for US business and to conform to its morals. Because of business interests, the US will cooperate with China. Because of oil, the US will cooperate with Saudi Arabia. The US is not part of Kyoto because of its potential effects on US business. The US aligns itself with Israel because it feels morally close to a Jewish state than to Islamic states ("morally" isn't quite the right word, but it's the best I could come up with).
Finally, the US has the power to dictate its interests on the rest of the world, which might not agree with a lot of them. This can't be too surprising when there is a lot of disagreement in the US, too.
Spurster...what makes you think other countries don't have their own agendas?
What's the difference? We usually succeed in achieving ours...why? Because we are capitalists and cultural chameleons....
Ours tend to be more benvolent an altruistic...in the here and now...and in history.
You know why? Because you can't be generous if you aint got to give.
Have you ever looked at those that hate us?
Take a good long look at them...
What do they want?
They want control and the ability to dictate the lives of the individuals...that is what Islam wants...that is what Socialism and Communism want...they hate the rights of the individual...
Now if you want to be a slave...then I totally understand why you sypmathize with those that hate America...but if you don't...Example...if you are an Argentian coming here to make a buck....You have no credibility or rational for disliking America. You are either naive, ignorant of history, or deluded.
I hope this is not target at me. The last time you posted a long response to one of my posts, I misunderstood you (I thought you were attacking me).
In any case, I don't dislike America, I dislike some of America's foreign policy and foreign trade decisions. I don't like when American's become y and talk down to me (it's happened many times when discussing topics in these threads).
I would love to see America coordinating with Europe and the rest of the developed World, policies that would help get the rest of the World out of poverty and ignorance.
I said "example"....
There are people that are here in this country...to make money for themselves...that hate this country. There are people that are filthy rich in this country...that have a socialist outlook...that's the ultimate in hypochrisy...
Because communism and socialism are the ultimate form of one man rule...they are ultimate form of tyranny.
And it's so easy to say you like those things when you are making money and chosing the path of your life.
If I was Argentina and saying Argentina was ed up...how would you talk to me?In any case, I don't dislike America, I dislike some of America's foreign policy and foreign trade decisions. I don't like when American's become y and talk down to me (it's happened many times when discussing topics in these threads).
You wouldn't like it either...
America does ed up ....but the ideals in which they do it are ones that are progressive.
I would love to see America coordinating with Europe and the rest of the developed World, policies that would help get the rest of the World out of poverty and ignorance.
And this is why I get offended smeagol...you are so in touch with America's faults...
Have you ever looked at the rest of the World?
Since when is Europe the center for enlightenment?
What makes you think they are so totally altruistic in their goals?
I see nothing indicate this and see every thing to indicate that they want Americas economic power for themselves....
Last I checked they were the birth place of the last 2 world wars...fascism, commuinism, socialism, nazism, the holocaust, elitism. the inquisition...
Europe is still the ultimate separation of the classes...peasantry and aristocracy system....
There are some countries over there that aren't that way...Poland, GB,...and I am not just saying that because were allied with us...they make a sincere attempt...I think the UK is probably still heavily into aristocracy but they do try...Poland is a great little country...the rest are not so different than they have ever been. And I definitely trust us and think our goals are more altruistic than theirs.
Europe created this Middle East problem...not the US...they didn't think peaseantry there were going to be smart enough to figrue out they were ruled by tyrants...they didn't expect the Jews in Israel to survive. And they want their system maintained...because they are far more dependent on mideast oil than we are.
How can you lump 5.5 billion people in the same bag?
Did you or did you not do the same thing when you started this thread? Check the le again.
You spoke for the World...I responded to the World.
Just to clarify, I was reassigned to this country by and American bank. I was very happy working in Argentina but this bank saw something special in me and transferred me to NY. I do make more money here than I would make in Argentina, and all in all, I’m happy here. But I miss my country too much. I will probably be back there in two or three years.
In any case, I don’t hate America, I just criticize the things I don’t like about her. I have the right to do so.
Argentina is ed up. Its people do ed up things. Its government is ed up. I would not mind at all you criticize, in an honest way, Argentina and its people. I might probably agree with you.
I just don’t like it when ignorant idiots, talking from their high American horses, refer to the rest of the World as holes. Those same idiots that say “40% of Mexicans want to come and live here because we are the greatest country in the World and Mexico is such a piece of of a country, blah, blah, blah. . . “
Language barrier again. All I said is I love to see the 1st World unite against poverty and hunger. I said it elsewhere and I will say it a million times. This has nothing to do with America, Europe or Japan. You totally misunderstood me and went whottt on me.
That makes all the difference in the world...by all means feel free to criticize if you are forced to be here...
But surely you understand why I would be offended by someone who comes here to make money and then is critical?
It does make a difference.
Argentina is ed up. Its people do ed up things. Its government is ed up. I would not mind at all you criticize, in an honest way, Argentina and its people. I might probably agree with you.
Well as you know...I actually liked Argentina, I defended their championship over team USA and like a good American...I advocate we adapt some of there program rather than making excuses for losing...but I have noticed a heavy influx of Argentinian's that don't like America...and many of them...speak from ignorance...they watch too many movies I think. It's only recently that I have begun to fight back in defense of my country....
If these guys are going to be the ugly foreigner than I am going to be the Ugly American.
=I just don’t like it when ignorant idiots, talking from their high American horses, refer to the rest of the World as holes. Those same idiots that say “40% of Mexicans want to come and live here because we are the greatest country in the World and Mexico is such a piece of of a country, blah, blah, blah. . . “
That was poll of Mexican citizens...these mother ers can't get across the border fast enough...
Why do you think it is?
They have as much natural resources as us...Mexico is one of the most rich countries in terms of natural resources in the entire world...
Why is there so much poverty there?
Because it's a hole with a corrupt ing government. Why don't they try and fix their country? That's what I want to know?
Man...many of thse countries refuse to lay aside their cultural pride and it holds them back...to adapt to a changed world...to adapt to where being able to pick fruit off the trees is not enough to survive and keep up with the rest of the world.Language barrier again. All I said is I love to see the 1st World unite against poverty and hunger. I said it elsewhere and I will say it a million times. This has nothing to do with America, Europe or Japan. You totally misunderstood me and went whottt on me.
And we give them ing money...our government gives them money...American citizens donate more money to these ing charities than the rest of the world combined...
Why doesn't it get to the people? Becauuse they have corrupt governments and cultures bound tegether by racial, religious, and ethnic ties...they have populations of tens of millions and are ruled by one man...usually a thug who would be in prison in the west...who spends the money on military and defense to keep his corrupt oppressive ass in power rather than feeding his people.
Then when the US allies itself with these types, gives aid...and puts up pressure on them to Democratize...people say we are propping up dictators or imposing our will.
It's bull .
You are way too sensitive, whottt. My point wasn't to criticize the US, but to explain dislike of the US.
Of course, other countries have their own agendas, but the US is one of the few (the only one?) to be able to force their agenda on the rest of the world. We have debated and will debate on how benevolent and altruistic the US agenda is. But other countries/people resent having the US agenda forced on them and disagree with much of it.
Maybe it's the bad ones that resent us....
I mean who do you think it is that hates us in France?
The ones that fought Hitler? Or the ones that collaborated with him?
In Germany? The West Germans? Or the communists...who aren't used to having to compete in th work place to make as much as someone who works harder.
In the middle east? Looks like the terrorists that hate us there...and the corrupt leaders...
I still say that protests don't speak for the entire population...
the UK and Austrailia were also said to be against us...yet their pro-Ameircan and Iraq war leaders both got re-elected...
It'll be interesting to see if Chiraq and Schroeder get re-elected.
I just don’t like it when ignorant idiots, talking from their high American horses, refer to the rest of the World as holes. Those same idiots that say “40% of Mexicans want to come and live here because we are the greatest country in the World and Mexico is such a piece of of a country, blah, blah, blah. . . “
Hey this was a poll that was done in mexico last week by some mexican newpaper.
I don't think that all the critics of the U.S. dislike us for the same reasons.
This is still a generalization, of course, but here goes:
Latin Americans probably are sick and tired of our meddling in their affairs. Their development has been hampered by our instigating a revolution whenever they elect somebody we don't like. Sure, we thought it was in our own best interests. But that has consequences and resentment is one of them.
Europeans... well, some of them just don't like our foreign policy. They think it's too aggressive and bullying. Their background has been that aggressive bullying results in huge wars that cause their continent to be reduced to rubble. They don't want that to happen to the U.S. or anybody else.
Europeans also have more of a communitarian mindset. They are more willing to give up some private wealth in order to have better public infrastructure like parks, plazas, trains that run on time and go everywhere, big markets, great architecture, etc. They don't understand our different priorities, like our crumbling roads leading to perfect little gardens around perfect big houses.
Other Europeans are bitter because capitalism beat out Marxism.
Asians think our foreign policy is too narrowly self-serving and fails to recognize the potential synergies that can help us out in the long term if we give other countries some leeway in the short term.
Africans are starving, war-torn, uneducated, and sick, know that we are very rich, believe we have the power to save all of them, and think we just choose not to do it. Their society is utterly dysfunctional.
Arabs are dysfunctional as well, and not the least bit introspective. Nothing that befalls them ever could possibly be of their own doing. They don't want to take responsibility for anything. The Jews and the Americans make convenient scapegoats for all their failures. We see this problem in Iraq -- Bush made the mistake of thinking that the Iraqis were like Westeners and would just get to work building their own country if they were given a stake in it. Wrong. They'd much rather have other people make all their decisions for them than have to make their own and risk making a mistake. Failure is a huge loss of face to them. They'll never admit they have responsibility for their own plight, so they'll hate America until they find somebody else even more convenient to blame.
Iranians -- well, if not for Eisenhower's and Churchill's decision to overthrow Mossadegh in the '50s in order to protect British Petroleum, Iran today would be a moderate, technologically advanced, prosperous, quasi-democratic, influential Muslim state in the region, an ally to the West, and an enormous calming influence in the Middle East. They'd be like Indonesia or Malaysia, but richer.
The turmoil is all their own...at worst we are guilty of choosing a side...
And you forget that in the mid 60's latin America nearly went communist...that's not merely looking out for our best interests...that's called not getting nukes stuck up our butts by Russia...
And when you show me a communist country that people are dying to get into...not get out of..., an when America ceases to be one of the major migration centers in the entire world...then I might concede that people would have been better off.
Europeans... well, some of them just don't like our foreign policy. They think it's too aggressive and bullying. Their background has been that aggressive bullying results in huge wars that cause their continent to be reduced to rubble. They don't want that to happen to the U.S. or anybody else.
Europeans did that to themselves...Europe is anti-semitic and it has been for the last 200 years....
France is anti-semitic
Britain is anti-semitic...
The European powers...including our British allies...have a history of anti-semitism.
And Europe also didn't like us opening up free trade world wide....but that's the price they had to pay for us bailing them out financially and militarily for the wars they drug us into. WE had to make some of that money back...especially since the default on the WWI loans.
No they aren't...they advocate others giving up their wealth...they don't advocate giving up their own....Europeans also have more of a communitarian mindset. They are more willing to give up some private wealth in order to have better public infrastructure like parks, plazas, trains that run on time and go everywhere, big markets, great architecture, etc. They don't understand our different priorities, like our crumbling roads leading to perfect little gardens around perfect big houses.
True...but you fail to see the main reason so many Europeans hate us...Other Europeans are bitter because capitalism beat out Marxism.
Because we are populist country...and the idea of peasants controlling the royalty is appauling to them, to their governments...which have done a good job of brainwashing their populations.
They think we are a bunch of barbaric peasants lacking refinement and culture and the fact that we bailed them out time and time again and are now their primary protectors...it's just a shock.
I think Asians like us....I think every Asian country is pro-American...including Vietnam.Asians think our foreign policy is too narrowly self-serving and fails to recognize the potential synergies that can help us out in the long term if we give other countries some leeway in the short term.
No...Africa...like the middle east...is a total victim of colinlization....Africans are starving, war-torn, uneducated, and sick, know that we are very rich, believe we have the power to save all of them, and think we just choose not to do it. Their society is utterly dysfunctional.
Of Eurpean colonization...where their resources were stolen from them and puppet rulers installed....
It was Eurpe that did that did to Africa...it was Europe that did it to the middle east.
That's what I am saying...what in the makes you guys think Europe is the busom of humanity....look at their history... you don't have to look far to see the forces at work over there...it wasn't that long ago.
Um...Mossadegh was trying to overthrow the Shah and ally himself with the Soveit Union...and our coup which was the brain child of the British(that aristocracy thing again)...failed. It was an unexpected popular uprising that lead to the overthrow of Mossadegh.Iranians -- well, if not for Eisenhower's and Churchill's decision to overthrow Mossadegh in the '50s in order to protect British Petroleum, Iran today would be a moderate, technologically advanced, prosperous, quasi-democratic, influential Muslim state in the region, an ally to the West, and an enormous calming influence in the Middle East. They'd be like Indonesia or Malaysia, but richer.
And the funniest thing is...the Muslims that rule it now have nothing in comming with Mossadegh...who was a socialist...not an Islamist.
People need to stop trying to over throw their governments...it only makes the government becoem more brutal....the change must take place over time.
If you see people trying to overthrow the US government it will become a brutal regime as well....at least to those that are trying to overthrow it...the day you hear a large group of Muslims trying to make California an Islamic state is the day the US Government starts looking a whole lot like China or the Soviet Union.
whottt, not everything the US does is the right thing to do. I understand you love your country and you defend it no matter what. I also agee with you that many of the problems the third World has are a consequence of poor domestic policies. But c'mon, the US has screwed things up in the past meddling in the affairs of many sovereign nations (and it continues to do so).
I've been there done that with Whottt before. I'll watch this one from the sidelines.
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