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This guy is way better than Hairston and Gee! I go to Toros games and Ive seen Anderson play against TExas. This dude is the real deal!
Shocking Senor finds a problem with drafting the best available playerunreal.
Senor is the epitome of the poster that you could put in the middle of fort knox and would cause you wouldn't help him carry out more gold...
This guy is way better than Hairston and Gee! I go to Toros games and Ive seen Anderson play against TExas. This dude is the real deal!
...and leave it to you take issue with anyone whose opinion doesn't rival your own.Shocking Senor finds a problem with drafting the best available player
Senor is the epitome of the poster that you could put in the middle of fort knox and would cause you wouldn't help him carry out more gold...
I didn't say the kid was a bad pick. On the contrary, the kid is proven. The point is the Spurs have stockpiled players that have the same measureables at the same position. There still lacking the key element of length on the perimeter. Perhaps if you come up for air every now and then you'd understand.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 06-25-2010 at 02:11 AM.
I read the entire post head.
Again, you ed about the pick.
Fact.
Own up to it.
head.
Go pierce yourself with a rusty fork.
I'm glad you pointed this out because I was going to start a discussion on it. I think, or I'm hoping really, that with a full year of getting to know the system and learning his place and pace within it, he might turn the corner in his second season. Let's not fail to admit that he's a talented and athletic forward that still has a lot of weapons in his arsenal. The biggest problem that he was having last year, and scores of Spurstalk posts can attest to this, was his inability to mesh his game with the rest of the squad's game.
Again, it's a hope more than any factual evidence, or recent history; but I don't think we should write him off just yet as a total bust. He logged 12.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg and 2 apg, which is not a bad line, honestly. Yea, it's a bad line for someone who costs as much as he does, but he can only improve from here on out because he now owns the much coveted "corporate knowledge".
If we get a trade offer, obviously we pull the trigger. I doubt we will though, so I'm having high hopes that he increases his PPG, RPG and APG to 15, 6 and 3, which would be a significant difference in production.
True. I have no idea who they can get with the LLE or minimum. But they can't hang with just RJ as a the only true SF on the roster.
Anderson is an instant upgrade over Mason
i think the added (hopefully) length of Splitter will make the dearth of SF less exploitable. an interior of Splitter/Duncan will send a lot of shots away once guys get in the lane, unlike the last couple years. however, the two 3's that could cause problems for this team are Kevin Durant and Melo off the top of my head. Rj isn't a good enough of a defender to guard those guys that well and the lack of a sf-defender hurts. i'm assumming he'll find time at the SG and SF spots this season because the Spurs will benefit from his shooting enough that they'll be able to maybe have him outsized at the sf position.
Gee>Anderson>Hairston.
sorry.
Yeah, very slim pickings in the minimum D-League category. Trey Gilder has length but is very inconsistent and can't put on weight; would need some Toros time to do anything. One vet that really raised his game in the D-League playoffs after other players got called up or injured was Larry Owens. He put the Tulsa team on his back more than once and had impressive all-around performances.
Well if that's true, then the possibility arises that the FO is shopping George Hill around. If Temple is primed to man the backup PG spot, with Manu of course, and Gee and Anderson are sharing the SG duties, then that leaves George Hill as the odd man out. Now I can see Pop wanting to play his "corporate knowledge" guy ahead of both of them, but last year I was getting mixed signals from Pop. As a professional lie detector, it was rubbing me the wrong way when Pop kept calling Hill his favorite player and would gush about him to the media. Hill doesn't seem like the sort of player that needs to be babied, so I was sort of confused. Especially given Pop's previous history of railing into all of his players, superstars and role-players alike. (In the biz, we call that establishing a baseline.)
It's not that Pop was flat-out lying, but it did seem like there was something behind the words more than just a pure desire to compliment Hill on his progress. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that Pop genuinely likes George Hill and would love to keep him, but he realized that he needs more pieces to win another le than just a tweener guard. So maybe he began laying the foundation for a future trade using the media and puffing up Hill's own self-image.
In all reality, I'd say with confidence that the Spurs' le hopes don't rest solely with George Hill and they wouldn't diminish significantly if he were to depart.
I was thinking Willie...
Ideally the Spurs would need a long perimeter back-up for RJ, but what does it have to do with the pick of Anderson? It's not like there were very talented long 3s available in the draft that the Spurs passed on. They selected the best available player, which was the smart thing to do.
This is the biggest reason I wanted Pondexter. He may not be the shooter Anderson is(or he may be...no one really knows), but he is more of a true SF.
DraftExpress measurements for further comparison:
eight w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan Standing Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint Class Rank
6' 4.75" 6' 5.75" 208 6' 8.5" 8' 8" 7.9 30.0 35.5 14 11.86 3.19 NA
6' 4.25" 6' 5.25" 204 6' 9" 8' 7.5" 6.9 30.5 38.0 13 11.33 3.08 NA
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...#ixzz0rrWkL8jg
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...#ixzz0rrWt4bP4
Roughly about identical, Malik however being slightly more athletic.
No measurements for Gee other than this:
Alonzo Gee 6' 5.25" 6' 6.5" 225 6' 10"
So Gee is the tallest on the list, and likely to be the most athletic. A bit undersized for SF, but serviceable.
Hairston has got a nice at ude, can go strong to the ring however I've always suspected his long range shooting abilities. Anderson, being a 1st rounder, is guaranteed to be signed. So its a toss up between Gee and Hairston, but based on pure potential Gee without a doubt is much better than Hairston.
Looks like Hairston's days as a Spur may be limited. He's a great guy, but there's no room in the lineup.
So what does that mean for the starting lineup? Is Manu starting or does he come off the bench? If he's off the bench, is Hill starting alongside Tony or is he now relegated to only a pg backup? So to make room for Gee and Anderson, Hill's minutes will be cut into at the SG position. Hairston rarely played as it was and Mason averaged 19 mpg, I don't know where the minutes will come from, unless one of them sits in a suit. I think someone else will either be dropped or traded (Hill). Manu, Tony, Temple, Hill, Gee, and Anderson (Of course, assuming that Mason and Hairston will be let go) is a lot of guards for two spots.
I honestly think that Hill will be the next to go. I'm pretty sure (read:my own opinion) that he'll be traded to get the SF that we're looking for.
I don't think the 3 are that much alike
Anderson is clearly the best shooter of the group - not even close - can be servicable defender - and offensively a huge upgrade over Hairston - also athletically Anderson and Hairston are similiar
Gee is a SF right now in the NBA - guys shot is flat out ugly - he is a very physical player who gets to the rim and FT line - in many respects he is a shorter but tougher RJ - I think he can have success at the next level off the bench and as a defender, but at times will be a liability on the court like Jefferson if he can't develop an outside shot.
Hairston may have the best all around game of the 3 but defense is clearly his strong point right now - very inconsistent outside shooter and right now doesn't really have NBA range on his 3.
In the end if Anderson slipped to 20th you had to take him - especially considering this team needed outside shooting and Hairston/Gee that is huge weakness in thier game right now
Anderson >>>>>>>>>> Hairston, Gee.
There can be no comparison between the three. Anderson is a rotation NBA player right now. Hairston's and Gee's upside is about a decent 9th-10th man. Anderson could grow to be a very competent scorer and starter for a team.
Ah, ok then. If Gee is playing SF, then there's the blow-off valve. It still seems crowded, but we'll just have to wait and see if the FO is willing to stand pat with the current lineup (after Splitter is signed ::fingers crossed:
I think you can compare certain part of thier games but I agree they really aren't that much alike and Anderson is clearly the most NBA ready and on the offensive end of the court it isn't even close
They're what's available. Put it this way: RJ's the right size that you want, and he can't ing shoot. Phoenix made that the cornerstone of their defensive plan: make RJ a jump shooter. I'm sure if there were a 6'8" player with Anderson's quals, the Spurs would have taken him. There wasn't.
Jay Bilas called Anderson the best shooter in the draft last night, and that's probably our one glaring skill need. Tim isn't athletic or quick enough to split or overpower the double team anymore. He NEEDS shooters around him, and we got probably the best college shooter available. He also has the rare quality in a young player of being good at both catch and shoot, and off the bounce.
Hairston would have problems with being drafted based on his outside shooting as displayed in his limited appearances in 47 games this year. I'll give you that he hustles, plays d and slashes--but his 3 pt shooting was .187% and that won't keep you in the big show as a 2 or 3.
There's a reason he had limited appearances --despite his loud fan base on SpursTalk.
the front office might not like ghill's pornstar past and wish to move him
I posted a link to the basketball combine measurements and atheletic ability stats the other day. This guy is VERY athletic.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-co...m-test-results
His standing vertical and max vertical of 30 and 35 inches compare favorably with a lot of centers. His agility drill was good and his speed sprint for 3/4 of the court was excellent 3.18 seconds.
Seeing as how he was Big 12 player of the year and a proven shooter, I think he will get some minutes unless his injury returns.
Temple can play point. He stays as backup. Gee is reputed to be a shooter who can play some 3--so maybe he's a cheap choice behind RJ & stays.
Hairston can't go back to D league, I think he is odd man out based on his shooting performance which was dismal.
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