Reply With Quotekluby can die happy, now.
Doesn't this apply to us too? We were basically having a rebuilding year last year, while at the same time, winning a championship. All of the core on the Spurs are young and athletic which bodes well for the future. Parker's going to get better, Manu's gonna get better, Jack should get better (if he cuts down on the turnovers), and Tim Duncan still hasnt reached his peak. I believe that the Spurs are banking on Parker and Manu to be the 2 stars to compliment Duncan in his career for the future. That's why they're signing Horry to an inflated 1 year deal. To have capspace to re-sign Manu to a lot of $$$. They see him as more than a role player. He was pretty much limited all year with the ankle injury, and he still was a playmaker on this team. Just imagine him at 100% and a year of experience (championship experience). And he'll be playing in a contract year, so I fully expect him to bring it this coming season.not to mention other teams like the Suns, Clippers, GS, shoul dbe improving --
kluby can die happy, now.
This is ing Bull !
Does anyone realize that for the Spurs to be involved in this same trade we would have had to give up Malik (if Horry isn't coming) or both Malik and Bowen (if Horry is coming)?
Were you guys willing to do this??
If not, then STFU. What do you guys want the Spurs to do, magically get players and give up nothing? People seem to think we could have given them Speedy and a bag of chips -- that wouldn't have brought Spree here.
I have been up to trading ANYONE but Duncan to get a All star caliber player. ANYONE...
Especially Rose.
so giving up a spur player was not so bad after all?????????
Spree is your All-Star????
And how would the Spurs' front line fare without Rose?
Kori, sort of OT, but where are things with the Piatkowski and Boykins talks?
I never thought the Spree trade would make us much better for the money. There's got to be some other guys that teams want to dump -- aren't Swift and White Chocolate on the block for nothing?
I'm going to wait until the roster is set before proclaiming it so, but so far this summer is a ing bust.
Two of our capped out conference rivals significantly upped the ante while we sit here and spin our wheels with 16 million in cap room.
And for all the homers who say "oh, LA will have chemistry problems", or "oh, Minny still won't get out of the first round", give it up, if you use your brain instead of your heart you'll realize both teams just got significantly better.
AHF
I'm not sure. I haven't talked to anyone this afternoon. I'll try to find out.Kori, sort of OT, but where are things with the Piatkowski and Boykins talks?
I understand what you're saying. It's just very frustrating seeing teams get better while the Spurs have stayed stagnant, or with the loss of SPeedy today, seen their talent level even drop. Like I said before, Spree may not have been the best fit, but Minny was aggressive and came out far ahead in this deal. It's just frustrating to see other teams get better, while your team says they're at least trying.If not, then STFU. What do you guys want the Spurs to do, magically get players and give up nothing? People seem to think we could have given them Speedy and a bag of chips -- that wouldn't have brought Spree here.
Tex
uhhh...Minny has been trying to trade Brandon for months. Its not like Kevin McHale got up this morning and said "hmmm....maybe I'll trade Terrell today." and then called up some buddies and did it before he hit the golf course.
Still, if you look at it completely objectively, three weeks ago San Antonio was in a much better position to improve themselves than LA or Minny. Today, anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge must acknowledge that LA and Minny are much improved, and the Spurs are not.
What it all means once the season starts, no one can say. But objectively, for whatever reasons you might care to give, their front offices are waxing ours this offseason.
That's very true. But it remains to be seen if their acquisitions will pan out to be actual improvements. On paper, the Lakers and Minny got better. On the court?Still, if you look at it completely objectively, three weeks ago San Antonio was in a much better position to improve themselves than LA or Minny. Today, anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge must acknowledge that LA and Minny are much improved, and the Spurs are not.
We'll see.
The Spurs are just sitting around -- it's just unfortunately their efforts haven't amounted to anything.
"Sprewell, a fan favorite in New York, has spent the last five seasons with the Knicks. Playing out of position at small forward, the 6-5 Sprewell averaged 16.4 points last season. He spent the first six years of his career with the Warriors, and is a career 19.1 points-per-game scorer."
msn.espn.go.com/nba/news/...84275.html
If Sprewell isn't meant to play the 3, then it seems like we made out just fine by passing on the deal.
As Pop is fond of saying, on the Spurs there's really no difference between the 2 and the 3.
When you got 6'7" and 6'8" guys in the three man rotation, it really doesn't matter.
If I could have a moment of everyone's time to touch on one small issue...
HOW IN THE ING IS IT THAT MINNESOTA GAVE UP NOTHING BUT THE EXPIRING CONTRACT OF AN INJURED PLAYER FOR SPREEWELL WHILE IT WAS GOING TO COST US MALIKE ING ROSE OR STEPHEN ING JACKSON?
EXCUSE ME IF I AM DENSE BUT WHY IN THE ING COULDN"T WE HAVE FILLED MINNESOTA"S ROLE IN THIS DEAL AND LANDED SPREE WITHOUT LOSING JAX OR ROSE???
WHERE IN THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE **** ARE ALL YOU GUYS SAYING WE HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO GET SOMETHING NOW?
Dammit, if I could make my caps bigger I would...
Something is ing up here...don't give me the no one wants to play in SA bull ..don't give me the it's all part of the plan bull ! Pop wanted Spree...I believe the quote was that Spree is like his son...So why in the **** is it that we were gonna have to give up a key player to get him while Minnesota gave up nothing but a dead contract?
Maybe I just don't ing get it..but IM ingO someone needs to take some mother ing negotiation lessons.
Depends on what chips Kori. And if not Speedy and chips, SCOLA and chips. Doesn't everyone here know that Scola is a franchise player because he played well against JOneal?If not, then STFU. What do you guys want the Spurs to do, magically get players and give up nothing? People seem to think we could have given them Speedy and a bag of chips -- that wouldn't have brought Spree here.
That TimVP is a lucky man.
The reason is because since Minnesota sent out a player then they could match Spree's salary within 115% + $100k. For the Spurs they were operating with $12 mil in cap room. Spree's deal was $13.5 mil. The Spurs could only go $100k over the cap in a trade. Apparently they could not get another team to absorb the difference in the cap hit. Hence the talk about the Spurs sending back a player under contract like Rose or Ginobili.
Something stil doesn't wash...my check of hoopshype salary info says that Brandon's contract was @10 million...
We had 12 mil in cap space..
Are you saying the Wolves brining in Atlanta made it possible for them to do this?
If so why couldn't we do it? Why didn't we do it?
I see a **** up..I don't question Pop's ability to coach or Pop or RC's ability to judge talent...but what I am beginning to doubt is their salesmanship in convincing players to come here and in convincing other teams to work with us.
We had more cap space to offer Altanta than Brandon's contract, at least accodring to my info.
This sucks. Someone dropped the ball...
And anyone that doesn't think that Minnesota becomes a huge of an offensive team with Wally, Spree, Cassell and Garnette is on crack!
Minnesota will challenge for the best record in the NBA this season...I didn't want Spree for Manu, Rose or Jax but you can damn well believe I wanted him for empty cap space.
Face it our guys are getting out manuevered by people playing with less of a deck..I am not totally miserable about this offseason..I am glad we didn't lose any guys, and I didn't want Kidd..I think we will be better off because of that..
But the fact is that we aren't fortunate in those areas because of execution and efforts of our FO...more like we didn't do those things because of a lack of execution and incompetence in negotiation with FA's and other teams...
IOW we got lucky on Kidd and some trades, but that was inspite of our FO, not because of them.
There are reports about other players being involved like Marc Jackson and/or Troy Hudson.
Brandon's deal was $10 mil last season. Factor in an increase for 2003-04 and 15% + $100k more and that should get you to Spree's $13.5 mil.
What I said was that since Minnesota was trading a contract they had the ability to use the +/-15% + $100k 'rule' when matching salaries, unlike the Spurs who were simply using cap room and could only use the +$100k rule.
Whottt said more, um, colorfully what I did.
Two teams who started the summer with very little wiggle room have been taking our front office to school.
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