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    Did you really believe the Spurs would stay above the lux tax threshold indefinitely, especially on the downside of Duncan's career?
    Who said anything about indefinitely?

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    Lets say NY or NJ wants to spend 40 mil over 4 years on . Spurs can sign and trade and receive a 10 mil trade exemption in return. They can then go out and use that chip now to find their starting SF. I think that's how it works. I'm sure RC has some sneaky like this up his sleeve...
    Now that I think of it, if RJ signs with a team using cap space, a sign-and-trade is likely. Doing a sign-and-trade will allow the other team to save a bit of salary cap space this season. It'll then give the Spurs a large trade exception. Having a trade exception in this market is gold.

    Now we have to pray that RJ is going to a team with cap space. In other words, let's hope RJ is going back to New Jersey.
    Bingo. then we use that chip, make the trade now, not at the deadline, and bring in a SF that fits our system. If we land a guy making 10 mil, Holt will save 10 mil on salary and luxury tax next season. Its a win win win for everyone. gets to play uptempo, Spurs get a better fit at SF, and holt saves 10 mil.

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    I think they're going to resign him to a smaller, more long term deal to save money...and that's why he's opting out...because he knows he's getting the deal. Just my thoughts.

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    I actually liked watching Vinny play. The guy was smooth.

    Cadillac Anderson
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    how many of those ers played 30 minutes a game again?

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    My name is here too. RJ opting out as surprising as his trade to the Spurs last June. It makes Splitter's signing and faring well more important than ever. The FO will be busier finding another starting SF. His replacement will be much cheaper and at least won't be a big disappointment as RJ at this time next year.

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    dwayne wade.

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    I actually liked watching Vinny play. The guy was smooth.

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    Take Ferry off that list.

    Without Ferry they don't move on past the Suns in 2003.

    Doc Rivers was a darn good player too.
    Corey Aldexander Cadillac Anderson sure go ahead.

    Add Jamie Feick to that list as well.

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    What would be reasonable for the Spurs? 4 years, $28M? Or would RJ balk at that?
    JMO of course, but I'd think that's in the ballpark. 3 or 4 years in the $7-$8 mil per range.

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    Take Ferry off that list.

    Without Ferry they don't move on past the Suns in 2003.

    Doc Rivers was a darn good player too.
    Corey Aldexander Cadillac Anderson sure go ahead.

    Add Jamie Feick to that list as well.

    jacque vaughn worst in last 5 years ha

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    Wow...this was posted less than 2 hours ago, and this thread is how long?

    He opted out. What's done is done. No use getting all upset about it. Good riddance, RJ.

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    RJ could get more than that I'd bet...

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    Pretty much those posters who are against this move have said what i needed to say so i dont need to repeat it.

    i really wanna hear what the front office has to say. I hope Marcus Bryant is right.

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    JMO of course, but I'd think that's in the ballpark. 3 or 4 years in the $7-$8 mil per range.
    At least it keeps the depth chart intact, and with a full MLE for Splitter and possible use of the LLE, the Spurs will be skirting the tax threshold. If we can stay under it, Holt will be very happy.

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    If the Spurs can't find a suitable replacement, I'm not entirely opposed to bringing back RJ. He's a bad fit but if the alternative is going ultra or depending on D-League talent, RJ for $8-9M a year isn't horrible.

    Whatever the case, the Spurs can't waste this upcoming year. If the window is still open, it's likely open for only one more season. In a scenario where it's overpaying RJ or nothing, I'd rather overpay RJ.

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    Wow...this was posted less than 2 hours ago, and this thread is how long?

    He opted out. What's done is done. No use getting all upset about it. Good riddance, RJ.

    Everyone is thinking of what we should do next.

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    At least it keeps the depth chart intact, and with a full MLE for Splitter and possible use of the LLE, the Spurs will be skirting the tax threshold. If we can stay under it, Holt will be very happy.

    ...but who says that won't go over the cap for someone better?

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    If the Spurs can't find a suitable replacement, I'm not entirely opposed to bringing back RJ. He's a bad fit but if the alternative is going ultra or depending on D-League talent, RJ for $8-9M a year isn't horrible.

    Whatever the case, the Spurs can't waste this upcoming year. If the window is still open, it's likely open for only one more season. In a scenario where it's overpaying RJ or nothing, I'd rather overpay RJ.
    Absolutely perfect...exactly what I was thinking.

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    I think they're going to resign him to a smaller, more long term deal to save money...and that's why he's opting out...because he knows he's getting the deal. Just my thoughts.
    This is what I've been thinking.

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    RJ could get more than that I'd bet...
    It's possible. The dangerous thing right now is that there are way more teams with cap room than there are big name free agents to eat up those cap spaces. There's an increased risk of the teams who lose out in the big name FA sweepstakes panicking and throwing around stupid money.

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    Ok, too lazy to read all the pages, but my thoughts:

    1) Some people here have a severe lack of understanding pertaining to the salary cap.

    2) I am very happy about this.

    3) The reasons why are as follows:
    a) Spurs weren't going to use RJ in a trade to upgrade in talent. That would require taking on a longer term contract and the Spurs were not likely to do that, even if it was a good basketball move.
    b) While the Spurs certainly lose on "talent", I think people here are vastly overstating RJ's impact. I certainly think the impact RJ had could be easily replaced, even with limited money.
    c) Spurs have tradeable assets now. They can use guys like Hill or Blair to fine tune their team and positions of need. So I think the panic is premature.

    4) This saves the Spurs money and I think that is ok. No salary dumps needed.

    5) This allows the Spurs to get a better fit; 3PT shooter and defender. Fit is more important than talent. Especially if Tiago comes over.

    6) Spurs could become a player in FA if they wanted to. There are options.
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    If the Spurs can't find a suitable replacement, I'm not entirely opposed to bringing back RJ. He's a bad fit but if the alternative is going ultra or depending on D-League talent, RJ for $8-9M a year isn't horrible.

    Whatever the case, the Spurs can't waste this upcoming year. If the window is still open, it's likely open for only one more season. In a scenario where it's overpaying RJ or nothing, I'd rather overpay RJ.
    True. Who else is out there? Even at the MLE?

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    If the Spurs can't find a suitable replacement, I'm not entirely opposed to bringing back RJ. He's a bad fit but if the alternative is going ultra or depending on D-League talent, RJ for $8-9M a year isn't horrible.

    Whatever the case, the Spurs can't waste this upcoming year. If the window is still open, it's likely open for only one more season. In a scenario where it's overpaying RJ or nothing, I'd rather overpay RJ.

    Agreed 1000% and said that earlier.

    While not the best player to have at SF, I'd take his 12 13 a game over having Malik Hairston or some other D Leaguer as the starting 3.

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    if any team is willing to rj more than half of what he made last season then thats just sad

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