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    Exactly.

    He contradicted himself.

    Thanks for noticing a half hour late.

    I guess that is an improvement for you.
    What part of "I didn't agree with the stimulus to start with" didn't you get.

    So Texas took the money and reduced their deficit. Big deal. They could have pissed it off on new programs and didn't. Bravo.

    I'm confident Texas will be able to work through it's budget problems without being bailed out by the Feds.

    I cant' say the same for California and Illinois. It's time for some tough love.

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    What part of "I didn't agree with the stimulus to start with" didn't you get.

    So Texas took the money and reduced their deficit. Big deal. They could have pissed it off on new programs and didn't. Bravo.

    I'm confident Texas will be able to work through it's budget problems without being bailed out by the Feds.

    I cant' say the same for California and Illinois. It's time for some tough love.
    So you were for federal bailouts of states before you were against them.

    OK.

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    How many babies do the average mothers on government support have?

    Give a link to the information. I'm curious to see that.
    Judging by the urban neighborhood my office is in I would say 2-3 on average.

    Find a link to refute me.

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    The best time to go on a diet is when you're starving.

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    So you were for federal bailouts of states before you were against them.

    OK.
    You have serious reading comprehension issues.

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    I'd like to see welfare and unemployment revised so that the number of children does not factor into the amount received. If that means childless recipients can coast a little more on their check, fine.

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    The best time to go on a diet is when you're starving.
    Actually, the ones around my office are all real fat.

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    Actually, the ones around my office are all real fat.
    It's a metaphor for our country.

    But on that point, junk food is usually cheaper than healthier food.

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    The best time to go on a diet is when you're starving.
    See, the GOP had no problem exploding federal spending deficits while unemployment was at historic lows...and it wasn't just the Bush administration, the GOP Congress signed off on the deficit spending too..

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    Judging by the urban neighborhood my office is in I would say 2-3 on average.

    Find a link to refute me.
    Find a link to support you first.

    Since the average number of children per household with children in the US is 2, your little anecdote doesn't even support your thesis well.

    http://www.census.gov/population/soc...ST-F1-2000.pdf

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    You have serious reading comprehension issues.
    You have some serious self-contradiction issues.

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    I'd like to see welfare and unemployment revised so that the number of children does not factor into the amount received. If that means childless recipients can coast a little more on their check, fine.
    Almost half our kids already live below the poverty level and you want to make that worse, seriously?

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    I have a su ious feeling black people are behind this whole unemployment thing.

    ...and that zebra Barack Obama isn't the only one.

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    Almost half our kids already live below the poverty level and you want to make that worse, seriously?
    Who said make it worse? To do what I proposed (to get it passed, anyway) would probably require an increase in benefits overall, but those without children would just see more of an increase than those with.

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    Who said make it worse? To do what I proposed (to get it passed, anyway) would probably require an increase in benefits overall, but those without children would just see more of an increase than those with.
    ....people aren't getting rich by having babies and living off the dole...you want to punish kids because of their parents choices....any increases in benfits typically fail to meet the rise in inflation...

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    It's a metaphor for our country.

    But on that point, junk food is usually cheaper than healthier food.
    fast food wise yes. it's much cheaper at wally world.

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    ....people aren't getting rich by having babies and living off the dole...you want to punish kids because of their parents choices....any increases in benfits typically fail to meet the rise in inflation...
    How is it punishing the kids?

    Nobody is getting rich, but regardless of how many are taking advantage, whether it's .01% or 10% or 50%, there is a built-in incentive that should be eliminated.

    And it's not like individual cases couldn't be addressed.

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    Almost half our kids already live below the poverty level and you want to make that worse, seriously?
    what's the poverty line? 75 k/yr?. I know two years ago in the military I was able to recieve food stamps.

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    what's the poverty line? 75 k/yr?. I know two years ago in the military I was able to recieve food stamps.
    that's the military idea of poverty, of course with their trillion dollar a year budget..the civilian poverty line was less than $20,000/yr last I checked....try raising kids on that!

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    Whats so hard to understand about not having kids if you can't afford them? I see working couples postpone having kids all the time till they feel solvent enough to proceed. The problem is the teenage single mothers I see all around the neighborhood dragging 2-3 brats behind them with another one in the oven...each kid gives them another $6,000 a year in tax free income and it's totally rational for them to keep spitting them out.

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    The poverty "guideline" Iis a bit over $22k for a family of four.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml

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    "built-in incentive that should be eliminated"

    you guys are real tough on the unemployed, but let slide all the "incentives" the corps have to buy Congressman.

    I'd guess corporate subsidies, tax breaks, loopholes add up to 100s of $Bs more than welfare cheats.

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    "built-in incentive that should be eliminated"

    you guys are real tough on the unemployed, but let slide all the "incentives" the corps have to buy Congressman.

    I'd guess corporate subsidies, tax breaks, loopholes add up to 100s of $Bs more than welfare cheats.
    I HATE that bull . Lets start with the Ethanol subsidies.

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    How is it punishing the kids?

    Nobody is getting rich, but regardless of how many are taking advantage, whether it's .01% or 10% or 50%, there is a built-in incentive that should be eliminated.

    And it's not like individual cases couldn't be addressed.
    ...more kids - equal money means less money per kid...

    You want to break the cycle of poverty you have to give people more money not less....of course, that means a $15 dollar per hour living wage...

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    I HATE that bull . Lets start with the Ethanol subsidies.
    I would start with the law that allowed BP to write off 70% of its renting of the Deepwater Horizon.

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