Payton wanted an extension from the Spurs. Next. And of course you ignore the fact that the Spurs would have shipped out their youth under your great plan. At least now the Spurs are a team on the way up instead of a team trying to squeeze the last bit of play out of a 35 year old guard.
F that.
That's an incorrect assumption on your part. Payton wanted an extension from Seattle or he wanted to be traded. I don't recall him getting an extension from Milwaukee, do you?
Payton > Parker + Rose
Next.
Sprewell > Rose
Next.
Mercer + Artest > Smitty
Next.
would mercer and artest have helped us win a le in 2002?
i dunno. perhaps. surely they would have given more than steve smith...but how they would have fit into the team concept is anybodies guess.
I would never have traded parker & malik for payton.
Luckily, neither did the FO.
I would never trade malik now for spree now...
Hopefully, neither will the FO.
But it's history. In the past. Can everyone who feels they are right or were right just beat your chest and get it out of you effin system.
I'm a homer. I'm loyal to our current group of guys. Unless you can add a SUPERSTAR, you don't break up championship chemistry. If the FO does that for Spree, i'll be shocked and dissappointed.
Unfortunately, the Spurs are at almost the same position they were 3 weeks ago.
NEEDS:
bigman
backup point
shooter
steve smith wanted an extension from portland and the spurs. he did not get on and he pouted.
and gp did not get the bucks to the finals either
It's amazing to me how Cassius can talk about our "rising star 21 year-old" point guard when arguing against Payton, yet frequently pointed out that Parker was benched in the Finals when defending his argument supporting Kidd. Which is it, Cassius? Surely you don't think that Kidd is that much better than Payton.
I definitely agree that we were smart to not make that trade for Payton. I used to think that we should've considered it more, but the way we did it makes a lot more sense.
I pointed out that he wasn't a star today while some of you were saying that he was 'better than Kidd now'. Does he have room for improvement? Sure. But we shouldn't worry because individuals such as GW Jr guaranteed his success.
THe thing that bothers me is that the other contenders in the west have upgaded their teams, while we have basically stayed the same. Even though this team won a championship, there wasnt that much diffeence between us and the second best team.
Actually the Spurs have DOWNgraded their team. Nesterovic is nowhere near as good as even an "old" David Robinson.
Um, I've watched people give to Ghost for 2 years now, and sometimes he deserves it. But in this case, GHOST IS RIGHT.
For the last two years people have been defending the Holting patern by stating that we will land a star in 2003. I am one of them - I am still astounded that we were ignored by the stars. GW warned that this would happen. He has turned out to be correct, and I think a lot of you owe him an apology - you are the ones trying to re-write history here by saying that we weren't saving money for this off-season with the intention of landing a second star to put next to TD.
C'mon people, for once Ghost is correct and has been on record for a long time about his view on the Holting Pattern, give him the credit he's due.
tlongII
rasho stats are better then davids last year
and the rest of the team should improve this year
First off, I would like to say that I'm glad I wasn't around for that ghost writer-cassius debate.
Secondly, I would like to say that I love my Spurs and I'm really happy that we won it this year.
I am disappointed that the Spurs didn't pick anyone up who really could make a difference next season (but I could be wrong).
I don't buy the "team loyalty" agruement at all. The ONLY reason Tim stuck around a couple years ago was because Dave took a massive pay-cut and we, the fans, begged him to stay. I don't blame Tim for going where the money is because this is a business. But realistically, it wouldn't have worked out for him in Orlando, or any other big-market team because he's a very humble player and with a small-market team, most guys generally avoid massive hype that they really don't need to deal with (I need not mention any names, but you guys should know who I'm talking about). I think Tim is the best example of loyalty in the NBA (and maybe even Pippen too), even though we had some trouble keeping him a couple years ago. If you compare him to guys like Elton Brand, Jermaine O'neal, Jason Kidd, and Derek Anderson, who are just going (or went) to teams because that's where they found the money. The fans cared less whether these guys stayed on their respective teams, but the character of our city is far different than any other city in the NBA.
Then you have Malone and Payton (a couple of John Salleys looking for a ring) who could have both easily signed with a small-market team like San Antonio for the league minimum and have the same (if not, better) chance to get the ring. Realistically, would Payton have signed on with Seattle for another couple years had he not been traded????? If you think about Malone's situation, there was no way he was ever gonna win a ring in Utah even with Stockton by his side. Payton and Malone would have been far more effective for San Antonio than they will be in LA.
2 points here which tie in heavily with each other:
1.)The Spurs are a small-market team which the greatest players in the league may never come join because there's nothing here. It was a blessing that Dave was here to take that paycut otherwise we might have never seen what we did last month, but because Dave DID take that paycut, we have the greatest player in the league staying in San Antonio for the next 7 years.
2.)Team Loyalty is non-existent. Players are signing with teams either where the money is, or where they THINK they are guaranteed a ring. Places like Orlando, New York/New Jersey, LA, and Indiana have already proven themselves to be lucrative markets for big name players (unlike San Antonio). Team loyalty is hard to come by nowadays, and that even remains to be seen here next year when Tony becomes a free agent, and if he leaves, there's always KG.
It's not a travesty.....yet. Like Kori said, we can't judge Rasho until he succeeds or fails miserably within our system. I thought we could have signed O'neal on for more money over a shorter period of time, but i guess i was wrong about that. There is no way Malik could be traded for some one that he's worth, because he's damn near priceless to this team.
The best move I think the Spurs have made thus far was trading their first round pick for a future first-round pick. As much as we hate the Lakers here, we are all too soon to forget that Kobe (no smart-ass comments, please) was originally drafted by the Hornets....And the Grizzlies traded their first round pick in this year's draft to Detroit for Otis Thorpe (but I think the Spurs would have done a of a lot more with that pick than Detroit did). Who knows? That first round pick could be the next big superstar.
Free agency isn't over yet and the trading deadline is a long way off, but until I see who the Spurs get with that future first round pick and/or who they may pick up before the season starts, I still give them an F-.
I don't need anybody's smart ass remarks because I'm not gonna sit here and cuss you out all night long. I'm attempting to debate this issue in a friendly manner and I can take criticism for anything anyone might think I'm wrong on.
Shaq on the 2001-2002 MVP:
"A joke."
how would upgrading your bench
and switching man for man the starting center
not a successfull summer.
imprving a championship roster?? Sounds good to me.
All the western conference teams have improved??
REally
LA did.
Minny, maybe well see
Sac did?
Phoenix Did?
Portland did?
Dallas??? WORSE than us DIDNT!
ok so who all improved guys???
Question!!!!!!!!
Shut up, T Park.
The Lakers just added two 20-point scoring Hall of Famers.
Los Angeles has always been our primary threat.
Wake up.
How have we upgraded the bench?
Rasho and Dave is actually a net negative for us - no way Rasho plays D like Dave has.
It's been a disappointing off-season and we're back in the middle of the pack again - LA improved, Minne improved, and I can't see that any of the other contenders in the West are any weaker.
The dynasty is on hold...
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