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    Does anyone think that Bell might not want to come to the Spurs given their history with the Suns? It must be hard to go play with players who were once your mortal enemies.

    I agree that he'd be the best option because of his 3pt%.
    Bell spent some time here back in like 2000 when he first got out of college. I think he has a pretty good relationship with coach pop.

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    in terms of team needs....

    Defense > 3 point shooting.

    we have guys that can get hot from outside(manu, hill, hopefully Anderson, and even bonner)

    But we don't have a legit perimeter defender worth right now. i

    i dont really think Butler helps us that much in that regard.

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    I've been saying the Spurs need more size long before it was popular opinion and they're still not overly big, but with Splitter signed and once Jefferson is officially signed, they'll be big enough. They still don't have a 3/4 tweener, but this notion that they need a 6-7 SF to compete for a championship is a myth.

    The Celtics played 6-4 T. Allen as their backup SF (and SG), the Lakers frequently played 6-6 Bryant as their backup SF, the Magic played 6-6 Pietrus as their backup SF, the Nuggets primarily played 6-5 Afflalo or 6-6 Smith as their backup SF, etc. All of these players are natural SG's. Not one is the size of a true SF, yet they were all successful teams to varying degrees and the size or lack thereof of their backup SF was not an impediment.

    Basically, you need one legit sized SF (Jefferson fits the bill), but you can get away with Bell or even Hairston (size-wise) playing backup SF. The big thing is, can whoever it is filling this role play above average individual defense and shoot the three at a high percentage, not whether the guy is 6-7 225 or 6-5 220.
    The big thing is they all had big men who could block shots watching their back.

    That will work as long as the front office is committed to Tim and Tiago in crunch time.

    If we're going to have candy ass Matt Bonner out there, your plan doesn't work.

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    Does anyone think that Bell might not want to come to the Spurs given their history with the Suns? It must be hard to go play with players who were once your mortal enemies.

    I agree that he'd be the best option because of his 3pt%.
    Yeah, that's crossed my mind.

    As I said earlier, I don't get the sense that he wants to come to the Spurs, which means they'll probably have to sell him on it. But he seems like an intelligent guy and it appears he doesn't hold grudges (apparently Bryant has text him a bunch of times to join the Lakers), so I don't think he'll automatically dismiss the Spurs.

    The Spurs can not only easily offer more money than the Lakers or Heat, but they can offer the possibility of starting and (unlikely as it may seem) maybe even finishing some games, in addition to contending for a championship.

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    Butler and Barnes both shoot around 32% from 3 point land. That is a big problem for us. James Jones could easily be the best fit IMO, but his defense lacks compared to both bell and barnes.
    butler shot 39% in new orleans the year before, he would get more open looks with the spurs than with the clippers

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    in terms of team needs....

    Defense > 3 point shooting.

    we have guys that can get hot from outside(manu, hill, hopefully Anderson, and even bonner)

    But we don't have a legit perimeter defender worth right now. i

    i dont really think Butler helps us that much in that regard.
    Defense and 3 pt shooting are both a huge necessity. Bell brings both defensive intensity and a consistent 3 ball, shooting a 40% clip for his career. He may be a bit undersized for the 3 but could still be the best option.

    Barnes is definitely more of a SF with his size and also plays good defense. His shooting won't help though.

    Butler sucks.

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    I've been saying the Spurs need more size long before it was popular opinion and they're still not overly big, but with Splitter signed and once Jefferson is officially signed, they'll be big enough. They still don't have a 3/4 tweener, but this notion that they need a 6-7 SF to compete for a championship is a myth.

    The Celtics played 6-4 T. Allen as their backup SF (and SG), the Lakers frequently played 6-6 Bryant as their backup SF, the Magic played 6-6 Pietrus as their backup SF, the Nuggets primarily played 6-5 Afflalo or 6-6 Smith as their backup SF, etc. All of these players are natural SG's. Not one is the size of a true SF, yet they were all successful teams to varying degrees and the size or lack thereof of their backup SF was not an impediment.

    Basically, you need one legit sized SF (Jefferson fits the bill), but you can get away with Bell or even Hairston (size-wise) playing backup SF. The big thing is, can whoever it is filling this role play above average individual defense and shoot the three at a high percentage, not whether the guy is 6-7 225 or 6-5 220.
    The Spurs needed that in the past because they rarely had a genuine 4 or 5 on the floor aside from Duncan. Bowen covered for a mul ude of sins, all of which were exposed when he was on the floor and compounded when he retired.

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    Yeah, that's crossed my mind.

    As I said earlier, I don't get the sense that he wants to come to the Spurs, which means they'll probably have to sell him on it. But he seems like an intelligent guy and it appears he doesn't hold grudges (apparently Bryant has text him a bunch of times to join the Lakers), so I don't think he'll automatically dismiss the Spurs.

    The Spurs can not only easily offer more money than the Lakers or Heat, but they can offer the possibility of starting and (unlikely as it may seem) maybe even finishing some games, in addition to contending for a championship.
    Didn't Raja get his start with the Spurs? I have a feeling that still means something. I'd imagine the only reason the Spurs would be down on his list is because there are other contenders inquiring about him.

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    Roster spot between Bell and Dial.

    Dial won out on RC's recommendation.

    Pop wanted Bell.

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    Looking at the FA left.. Bell probably is the best choice.. Although Im not convinced he can still be effective on defensive. He should still be a good shooter though.. but all in all, hes probably one of the better options.

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    Roster spot between Bell and Dial.

    Dial won out on RC's recommendation.

    Pop wanted Bell.
    Yeah I only remembered that Pop did him a solid by inviting him to camp just so he could showcase for other teams. Maybe I'm not remembering it right.

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    Everyone is talking about Barnes, but that guy is very bad behind the arc. We need a sharpshooter, maybe James Jones is a better fit.

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    Aren't Bell and Nash best buds? I say if all things are equal, he would probably return to Phx.

    Btw is there any news on who Bell is interested in?

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    I've been saying the Spurs need more size long before it was popular opinion and they're still not overly big, but with Splitter signed and once Jefferson is officially signed, they'll be big enough. They still don't have a 3/4 tweener, but this notion that they need a 6-7 SF to compete for a championship is a myth.

    The Celtics played 6-4 T. Allen as their backup SF (and SG), the Lakers frequently played 6-6 Bryant as their backup SF, the Magic played 6-6 Pietrus as their backup SF, the Nuggets primarily played 6-5 Afflalo or 6-6 Smith as their backup SF, etc. All of these players are natural SG's. Not one is the size of a true SF, yet they were all successful teams to varying degrees and the size or lack thereof of their backup SF was not an impediment.

    Basically, you need one legit sized SF (Jefferson fits the bill), but you can get away with Bell or even Hairston (size-wise) playing backup SF. The big thing is, can whoever it is filling this role play above average individual defense and shoot the three at a high percentage, not whether the guy is 6-7 225 or 6-5 220.
    Finally, someone has made this point well! Well done, sir! I totally agree.

    I would add that Manu helps things out because he's a very good rebounder for his size - he rebounds like a SF. And having great rebounding bigs like Tim and Grizzly around means that we don't need our SF to be a rebounding beast, we just need him to do an average job. , Bruce wasn't a good rebounder, and he was our SF for most of this decade!

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    Yeah I only remembered that Pop did him a solid by inviting him to camp just so he could showcase for other teams. Maybe I'm not remembering it right.
    Pop actually got the ear of Larry Brown and helped Raja to land in Philly to get his start, IIRC. He just felt Raja got caught in a numbers game and he would've loved to have been able to keep him.

    Pop and the Spurs really have been pretty good about sending out the good Karma when it comes to players and coaches -- whether it's just being honest with someone or giving a down-on-their-luck coach an opportunity to work or feel a part of something. Maybe help with getting their foot in the door.

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    The biq question here is has age and injury caused Bell to lose a step? If not, and he can still be an elite perimeter defender, sign him up! If he has lost a step, pass. It's a roll of the dice. I'd give it a whirl on the basis that I think Bell's the kinda guy who would retire if he couldn't bring an NBA-level game to the court.

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    Yeah I only remembered that Pop did him a solid by inviting him to camp just so he could showcase for other teams. Maybe I'm not remembering it right.
    I think Pop recommended him to Mr Larry Brown with the Sixers in 2001, Bell catches on does great in the playoffs, then becomes a commodity

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    Roster spot between Bell and Dial.

    Dial won out on RC's recommendation.

    Pop wanted Bell.
    but Dial could dunk!


    interesting story tho, didn't know that one.

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    Do the Spurs really need a vet at that position? I'd almost like to see Pop forced to develop the kids on the roster without a Finley/Bogans style safety net.

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    I'm thinking the same way. I, for whatever reason, started thinking it was a good idea to go after T-Mac with whatever the Spurs had the other day. But the more I think about it, the more I feel the Spurs just need to go with the youth and upside. They need that hunger and youthful exuberance surrounding their vets. They just need a new energy in the locker room and on the court.

    You don't really get that with the tried and true. Give me the young fella's for now. If they need to make a trade close to the deadline or at some point, fine. Go target someone and get what you want/need. I wouldn't hate Howard, Bell, Butler or someone of that ilk, but I'm just becoming more and more receptive to living with Malik, Temple and maybe Gee -- I just don't see anything out there that's appreciably better or going to make the Spurs appreciably better, sans a trade.

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    I really like Bell. Yes, he can be a bust and we could end up ing around while Pop plays him even when he is sucking and he doesn´t play Hairston enough.
    But i think that off all the players available, he is the one that fits what the usual SF has always been for the Spurs, defense first able to knock down the jumper kind of player.
    And i am quite sure he will outplay the centerpiece on the first week of the regular season.

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    Do the Spurs really need a vet at that position? I'd almost like to see Pop forced to develop the kids on the roster without a Finley/Bogans style safety net.
    That is an intriguing prospect, but I think we need one more vet.

    TP/Hill/Temple
    Manu/Anderson/Hill
    Bell/Hairston/Gee

    would be about the right mix I think.

    Everyone is assuming we will re-sign RJ, but unless they know something more than I do I doubt we will. All of my posts have been under the assumption that RJ is gone. If RJ is re-signed, I'm with you, we don't need another vet. Are you assuming RJ will come back?

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    Can you believe the miami heat are looking into RJ.

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    Can you believe the miami heat are looking into RJ.
    Let them take him! He wouldn't help that team at all. They need shooters.

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    Pop actually got the ear of Larry Brown and helped Raja to land in Philly to get his start, IIRC. He just felt Raja got caught in a numbers game and he would've loved to have been able to keep him.

    Pop and the Spurs really have been pretty good about sending out the good Karma when it comes to players and coaches -- whether it's just being honest with someone or giving a down-on-their-luck coach an opportunity to work or feel a part of something. Maybe help with getting their foot in the door.
    Well, I don't feel as if Larry Brown has returned the favor (to Pop) with regards to recommending Jackie Butler (who the Spurs got rid of by dangling Scola as bait). Larry Brown also made a lot of use out of Ratliff after getting him from the Spurs for nothing.

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