True, tbh. It just seems like people are very pissed off that LeBron has accepted he wasn't gonna take a historically losing franchise and turn it into a multiple time champion.
It's a thread comparing two of the three best players in the world.
tee, hee. We was that||close to finding out if we'd a lost Game 6.
I get nervous even now thinkin' about it.
But, that ain't what happened. Artest was waitin' in Los Angeles, and took Kobe, screamin' & yellin' on to the end.
Odom, Odom delivered Artest onto us. And Artest delivered 16 onto us.
cool story mang.
C'mon, Greg, let us proceed down the path of primrose, hand-in-hand and bury the old proverbials.
What say, old horse?
If you stop makin fun of my age since I'm the only one here older than you, I say we have a deal bro.
1) I understand LeBron didn't want to duplicate the career arc of Kevin Garnett. So why not sign a six-year extension in 2007 that would've kept him in Cleveland until 2013? He'd be 28 in 2013, and if he still hadn't won a ring, he could go somewhere else with his prime intact to win a championship. Jordan didn't win a ring until the age of 29. It's ultimately his choice where to play, but I don't think Cleveland deserved to lose him at this stage of his career.
2) Everybody makes the point that LeBron didn't have that #2 option in Cleveland, that he was surrounded by a bunch of decent players, but he didn't have his #2. Well, by not signing an extension that went past 2010, it complicated efforts to put together a good enough roster. They couldn't get younger players that could grow into their roles over time, like the Bulls did when they traded away Oakley and gave the starting job to Horace Grant. Or by taking a very green Scottie Pippen and patiently waiting for him to develop into that #2 option. By having a 2010 deadline, the Cavs had to construct a veteran, le-worthy roster on the fly. Plus, they had to run everything by LeBron, personnel-wise. He bears a large amount of responsibility for the roster he was surrounded with in Cleveland.
Honestly...
Lebron had a decent enough team to atleast get to the Finals.
A second round elimination was majore fail.
true, you can't win 66 and 61 games in back to back seasons and say you have no help .......
You can if that team would've been a <30 win team without him.
if there is a topic widely discussed on ST it's kobe vs. lebron. It's like trade TP or bonner sucks topics.
All the great players are hated on ST, to a degree.
The only players who don't garner widespread scorn are the average, irrelevant ones.
I don't recall ever seeing someone trash Francisco Garcia for instance.
I think there was a wee bit of irony intended by the OP.
I completely understand this and agree with it, but Cleveland did up plenty from the start. Once they got the pick in 2003, they should have went the route Seattle went after they got the #2 pick in 2007 and completely started from scratch with a new GM, new coach, and huge roster turnover, and a plan to stockpile draft picks/talent for the next two years. Lebron undoubtedly made it hard for them to take a long term approach, but they ed up plenty on their own and didn't seem like they would have taken a long term approach anyway. Just look at OKC, they didn't need a 6 year extension from Durant to build long term, by the time KD was up for extension it's already a team with a great future.
yeah but still a lot of posters answering seriously
If Kobe didn't quit they could have lost to Phx by 20 instead of 30. If Lebron didn't quit they could have gone to the NBA finals and possibly won a championship.
Dude really sacrificed an NBA le just so he could leave Cleveland and go play with Dwyane Wade. Thats why he's not a compe or. Not because he went to Miami - who wouldn't want to live in Miami and play with their best friends? I don't fault him for that. No, he's not a compe or because he was within reach of a championship and didn't even care.
The only way to justify that is if Delonte really was in his mama. , thats just one player, the whole team better have been running train on that goblin looking trick for him to screw them like that.
Kobe...
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