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gospurs21 · 07-18-2003

sky,
you are right. bringing in Gary ps because he can create his own shot. But Tony does a decent job guarding Gary and the Spurs have one of the best help defenses. Depending on how long it take Rasho to get used to the Spurs perimeter guys funneling the penatrators into the middle will be a big factor in handling the lakers O.

But I have to disagree with you on the Malone getting a lot more open shots against the Spurs. For some time now the Spurs have let Malone have those outside shots perferring to stop him down low. Again the key here will be if Malone can take Rasho off the dribble when he has him outside the paint. Again I think Malone will be given the outside shot. Maybe he will start making them against the Spurs for a change. For some reason against the Spurs Malones outside shot tends to disappear.

Go Spurs...

Sky · 07-18-2003

go - Players that come to the Lakers and play with Shaq, from Glen Rice to Ron Harper, have all said they get more wide open looks than they've ever had before. So I think it's safe to think Malone will get those same open looks.

You are applying what Malone did with Utah against SA, I don't think that's very relevant. He'll be taking fewer shots, he'll be playing with a dominant inside player that SA has to account for in defensive spacing, the context is radically different.

SA has great team defense help, but that help was much easier to give when Fisher was incapable of creating off the dribble or separating from his man and when the Laker 4 could be ignored entirely or counted on to stay in a fixed spot and not be a finishing or passing threat at all. The Spurs can no longer play the same D schemes, you have to account for that in your analysis.

Payton as a threat live dribble, Kobe (maybe, maybe not) cutting wing, Shaq low block, Malone elbow. You can't defend all 4 at once.

gospurs21 · 07-18-2003

sky,
With the Spurs man D and help D I like our chances. I don't think the lakers are a lock. I know they will be 100% better than last year, but I don't think they will be unbeatable (even with Kobe).

My point with Karl is that for some reason he just hasn't shot well from the outside against the Spurs since about 4 years ago. I can't explain it any more than his patented shot just doesn't seem to be so automatic anymore. Again the Spurs tend to let him have it until he proves he can make it. I don't know if it is mental or what. I don't think changing teams will change that...but we shall see.

As for karl down in the paint, lets see how that works with snaq already there. Tim and David did it well but it took a couple to seasons before it was really effective...see 99 le.

But's that is what is so great about this season, the biggest rivalry is alive a bigger than ever. Doesn't get much better than Spurs - lakers

Go Spurs...

Sky · 07-18-2003

go - Absolutely. The great thing about Lakers-Spurs is that it has become the leage's biggest rivalry, and with growing talent on either end it can harken back to the classic battles of the eighties. I've really missed that. Two loaded teams with contrasting styles going head to head is basketball at its very best and I expect that next year.

I don't see Malone having to work as hard with LA as he had to in Utah. He'll have more help defending Duncan, take fewer shots, D can't focus on him, etc. I just don't see him clanking shots with Utah as applicable to how he'll do in LA.

Malone won't go low block much at all. He's more comfortable elbow and the triangle has him there, pinch post and baseline. Pretty rare for the 4 to go low block.

The Spurs have the best D in the league. But losing DRob and Speedy will hurt. Rasho can't body Shaq as David could, doesn't have his quickness either. Last time the triangle had dual initiators with a dominant big the Lakers won 33 straight and a ring. It's a very potent offense when you have all the pieces in place. Question is if they'll have the dual initiators, we'll see what happens but I expect Kobe to be on the court.

I don't make the Lakers out to be locks, I think the Spurs will be formidable and they aren't done adding pieces yet. But having that core 4 will make the Lakers very very hard to defend because the defensive spacing will have to be exposed. Even for the Spurs. This is nowhere close to LA last year. They have at least two scoring threats from every spot on the floor from low block to midrange to the arc, along with several cut and finish threats, all on a team of great passers. Tough to stop all that. If anyone can the Spurs can, but it will be a huge challenge for them.

I'm looking forward to it, bring it on.

Ghost Writer · 07-19-2003

Sky, I answered your Question.

The Spurs weren't willing to give up Parker, Rose or any other Spurs for that matter during the two-year Holt-ing Pattern, because they thought they could bring in star power via free agency this summer.

They declined trades and didn't explore trades.

And we didn't bring in a star this summer.

Therein lies my frustration.

Cassius Clay · 07-19-2003

Therein lies my frustration.

More like an illness, but alas I digress.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

Sky, I answered your Question.

The Spurs weren't willing to give up Parker, Rose or any other Spurs for that matter during the two-year Holt-ing Pattern, because they thought they could bring in star power via free agency this summer.

They declined trades and didn't explore trades.

And we didn't bring in a star this summer.

Therein lies my frustration.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Damn you a lot. If you haven't already you should pay a visit to a pyschiatrist. Might help you.

They declined trades and didn't explore trades.

How do you know they didn't? Spree's agent has been quoted as saying that the Spurs explored a trade for Sprewell before the trade deadline last February.

And that's what only one media report. Most trade discussions never make print.

Of course, again, the Spurs didn't make any major trades during this time yet they still managed to win a le.

WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT YOU DAMN NUT?

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

The Spurs turned down an offer of Spree for Rose you stupid sunuvab1tch.

I wonder how many deals we turned down that didn't get reported.

We need to tank next season and get another #1 pick. That's our only hope for a star.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

You said the Spurs 'did not explore trades'. Apparently they did. Now recognize or shut up already you little whiney ass pussy. Dammit I am sick and tired of your anxiety laden rants in this forum. The Spurs win a championship and sure enough you are miserable and you want everyone else to be miserable to. **** that.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

Let me clarify:

The Spurs did not seek out trades and turned down all offers, @sswipe.

What if the Spurs made one of your trillion fantasy trades during the Holt-ing Pattern, Marcus Clay?

Question.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

How did Speedy Claxton end up in San Antonio? Oh how soon we forget.

And of course under your scenario the Spurs don't have Tony Parker. An unpolished player like Stephen Jackson never makes the starting lineup. Manu Ginobili? Who gives a **** about him let's get some real talent with real fat contracts in here now!

But what about the bench? Well damn you would've shipped off Malik Rose for anything. Then what would the Spurs have?

A capped out team with limited young talent, if any, no bench, and no way to clear the cap room to pursue a star free agent and/or find a replacement for DRob.

And with Tim Duncan having the ability to opt out this summer and GTFO of Dodge.

This is not hard to understand.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

Gary Payton > Tony Parker

Jackson started over your boy Smitty regardless.

I never wanted to trade Manu.

Did Rose show up for the Finals?

Dude, you keep ignoring the fact that you were the undisputed king of fantasy trades during the Holt-ing Pattern, yet now you want to come off as the creator of the cap clearing plan.

Come off it.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Pop started SJax and kept him as starter precisely because they were rebuilding. I saw an interview with Pop in which he admitted it was hard for him to watch the young guys (ie SJ) makes mistakes but that it was in the interest of the team to do so.

Yes, you would've run off Tony Parker and Malik Rose for a 35 year old Payton capping out the Spurs this summer. With no cap flexibility to pursue a star and/or DRob replacement.

No youth, no future, no cap room. Yeah, that was your plan. Thank God that never happened you freak.

Adrienne18 · 07-21-2003

Cassius, I actually agree with you.

Gary Payton was one of the great ones maybe...but WAS. He's still good, but he's already a has-been. Tony WILL be one of the great ones. He just led his team to a le at 21, but there's still not really any direction to go but up. Call me crazy, but I'd take that over a 35-year-old on his way out.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

For the fourth time, you tried telling me that Jackson would not start and that Smitty would last season, Marcus. Don't talk to me about Jackson.

Payton's contract ended this summer, ' . We could've used his and Robinson's money off the books to get spurned by free agents just like this past summer.

You wanted to make trades even more than I did, fool.

I remember telling you and the others that there would be no way the Spurs would make any trades involving contracts beyond 2003, yet you disagreed.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Oh so now you were on board with the 'Holting Pattern'? Right. Pop flat out admitted that SJax wouldn't have been starting if they weren't rebuilding.

That Payton deal hinged on Payton getting a max extension at that time. The Spurs didnt want to do it so they didnt. Even if they did you have no Parker and no Rose. SJax doesn't start because you dont have time for rebuilding we have to win it all now.

**** that.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Holting Pattern = Championship.

Ghost's Plan = Spurs are ed.

Ghost = lunatic loser in CT.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

No.

Jackson was the better option than Smitty.

You figured Payton would insist on an extension. That was obviously bullsh1t.

You wanted trades even more desperately than me.

Be true to yourself, hypocrite.

Holting Pattern = Cap Clearing Plan

Ghost's Plan = Spurs Trade for Talent

Ghost = realist

Admiral · 07-21-2003

And both of you wanted to sign Webber and let DRob walk in 2001. That would've definitely been Exhibit A of how to waste cap space, and we wouldn't have won the le this year.

Next.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Ghost, you're toast. Stop embarassing yourself.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

Great comeback. Your dinner is served.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Yeah, no doubt you are used to 'servicing' others.

Ghost Writer · 07-21-2003

What happened to your big speeches about landing a star being amatter of survival, Marcus. What about Duncan deserving better than Robinson?

Question.

Cassius Clay · 07-21-2003

Well I hope those who have labelled Tony Parker as the second coming are correct. I'm not going to whine about water under the bridge like you have.

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