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considering Bosh had a lot more hype this offseason than Amare, I'd say it's true. If anything, people were annoyed Bosh was getting lumped in with Lebron and Wade. You never ever heard Amare mentioned in the same breath.
He knew the Suns weren't going to pay him though. If they were, they would have never even entertained the notion of trading him. He just wanted max money. It came down to money not loyalty. As I said before, Bosh walks away from $30M yet Amare goes to the owner with the deepest pockets. Nothing wrong with what Amare did, and he handled his exit much better than Bosh did, but you also have to ask yourself: Is Amare worth his salary? no. Not even close. NYK was the only stupid enough to do that once they got desperate after losing out on LBJ. If the Timberwolves offered Amare more $ than NY he probably woulda gone there.
considering Bosh had a lot more hype this offseason than Amare, I'd say it's true. If anything, people were annoyed Bosh was getting lumped in with Lebron and Wade. You never ever heard Amare mentioned in the same breath.
Neither Bosh or Amare can defend their way out of a paper bag. But Amare's offense is much more unguardable, much more multilayered than Bosh's. Bosh isn't franchise material, he knows it. Apparently, neither is Wade or Lebron. We'll see if Amare is - he apparently thinks he can be. On a team that doesn't expect him to play defense, he probably can be. That will be good enough to get the Knicks into the playoffs...but it won't be good enough to get very far.
If that is so then why did they invite him for a meeting and have a presentation waiting for him?
If Miami knew they were getting Lebron and Bosh they wouldn't have wasted their time meeting with Amare. I can provide a link verifying the fact they met with Amare, my guess is you can't find a link verifying the fact they knew they were getting Lebron and Bosh.
I brought up his numbers without Nash in response to someone else completely unrelated to this argument.
See, Dwight Howard was 1st all NBA and Tim Duncan was 3rd all NBA last year. Amare was 2nd all NBA and Bosh was no all NBA last year.
Yet another thing you can't prove
You said he was jumping ship regardless. Pick a lane and stick with it. He wanted to stay with the Suns and was willing to take less than the max to do so.
He didn't demand a max contract from the Suns. If it was only about money he wouldn't have made any effort to stay in Phoenix, he woulda opted out immediately and signed with the Knicks. Do you expect him to leave $40 guaranteed on the table and sign with the Suns?
If a 2nd all NBA player isn't worth the max, neither is a non all NBA player.
Amare's numbers without nash were pre surgery. He was a much different player health wise back then. Amare was 2nd all NBA because he went on a tear the 2nd half of the season. If Bosh played with Nash, I'm sure he'd be ALL NBA as well. Derrick Rose >> Amare, yet Rose didn't make All NBA. As for how I know about the Heat knowing about the LBJ/Wade/Bosh thing, I will try to find you an article (I believe it was sports illustrated) that discusses how the whole thing went down. Why did Wade visit Chicago? The teams had to everything they could to make this look like it was never planned. So of course the Heat are going to entertain other players. I'm sure if Durant hadn't signed an extension he'd be given a meaningless presentation as well. Miami had to put up an act to cover up the "scandal" by having LBJ and Bosh commit long before the July 1st date.
I will get you a link in regards to Lebron and Bosh, if you give me a bit. I'm sure there's a thread about it on this forum as well.
Wrong: http://www.mixmakers.net/forums/nba-...-contract.html
He had no idea he was going to New York. He had to play hard so he could get the most money possible. Not sure if you know how a contract year works. See Erick Dampier for instance.
Oh, and Amare is getting more money than Bosh.
Bosh took less money by choice.
Wow, I just realized Goran Dragic and I have been arguing 3+ pages already
The tear Amare went on in the 2nd half last year was actually in spite of a terrible stretch for Nash. Most of his points were coming off isos and put backs.
Amare and Bosh play the same position. Rose has tons of compe ion at guard for all NBA, irrelevant comparison.
Was this an article with factual backing or an article that speculated?
Maybe because he didn't know from the get go he was staying in Miami.
so let me get this straight, the Heat interviewing Amare was nothing more than a smokescreen coverup used to hide Lebron and Bosh conspiring to join Wade?
Durant wasn't a free agent. I'm not sure how he would have been given a presentation.
I'm guessing this link is a speculating article written by someone who has no factual way to prove it right.
From this article:
"We've got the fans excited about basketball again," Stoudemire said. "So what I don't want is for me to have to leave and the fans are now not quite as excited about the game here. I want to keep the hype, want to keep the fans involved, want to keep everybody ecstatic about the Phoenix Suns."
Is this the same contract year Bosh was in last year?
The tear Amare went on in the 2nd half last year was actually in spite of a terrible stretch for Nash. Most of his points were coming off isos and put backs.
Amare and Bosh play the same position. Rose has tons of compe ion at guard for all NBA, irrelevant comparison.
Was this an article with factual backing or an article that speculated?
Maybe because he didn't know from the get go he was staying in Miami.
Durant wasn't a free agent. I'm not sure how he would have been given a presentation.
I'm guessing this link is a speculating article written by someone who has no factual way to prove it right.
The article was a Yahoo article (probably by Woroflkjg whatever his name is) who claimed to have sources that were part of the whole thing. I know Durant wasn't a free agent, but I said had he declined an extension he would have been one.
As for "so let me get this straight, the Heat interviewing Amare was nothing more than a smokescreen cover up used to hide Lebron and Bosh conspiring to join Wade?"
Yes, exactly. It already looks bad enough that the 3 of them planned all of this from the very beginning, hence why Lebron's "Decision" looks so bad. Because he knew well in advance but just didn't want to say anything to anyone (not even his hometown). It's tampering if Wade was already recruiting Bosh while he was under contract with the Raptors. Which it was, but the Heat had to make it look otherwise. Did you not hear Bosh accidently say "We've been looking forward to this for months....I mean days" at the press conference when they announce the trio signing with the Heat? Tons of uproar about it. All of it was pre-planned.
This isn't the exact article I was hoping for, but it does discuss how the 3 of them were discussing playing together as early as 2008, and that Wade's team had the best chance for it once Riley knew he could win Lebron over by showing him is championship rings:
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....iamis_cou.html
Seriously, are you dumb? What do you not get about Bosh having absolutely nothing to play for. Amare knows he wants a max deal whether he deserves it or not. Had Bosh had no idea what what going to happen to him this free agency he would've played his ass off trying to secure him the best contract possible. Bosh already knew what he was going to be getting $ wise from Riley. All 3 of them had discussed it at Lebron's house.
And Amare kept talking about bringing Lebron to NYK, I'm sure he'd much rather have gone to Miami for $60M than stay with a declining Nash in Phoenix. He's still trying to get Paul and Melo to join him. As well as Parker. Bosh was just one step ahead.
What do you expect Amare to say, he understands how PR works (unlike Bosh). He wants money and will say whatever he can to prove his a big part of the culture there.
So the best backing you have for your claim is an article written by someone with an obvious vendetta against Lebron?
Lebron's decision looked bad because it was narcissistic and something no free agent ever did before. If there was so much tampering why is it neither the Cavs nor the Raptors have gone after the Heat for it? You seem to be so sure there was tampering, I'm sure two teams deeply involved would also be sure if their was.
So the best you can find is an article written by a Cleveland paper butthurt about Lebron leaving and anxious to make Lebron look bad?
So you think there was no tampering whatsoever with the trio signing with Miami? David Stern said he wasn't going to investigate but obviously it had come up.
Do you even follow the NBA?
Something you have yet to prove.
So why exactly did Bosh put up the best numbers of his career if he had "nothing to play for"? If he had nothing to play for and knew he was getting a contract regardless from Riley, then why didn't he put up the numbers he always put up?
More speculating you have no way of proving.
So what does this article prove?
It came up because it was something that had never happened in free agency. Just because something "comes up" doesn't make it true. If there was this much blatant tampering don't you think there woulda been an investigation?
Bosh put up decent numbers because he's a good player who is entering his prime. He's only 25, and for the better part of the season the Raptors were a team in playoff contention. Even when he was posting double doubles, everyone up here was criticizing for not trying hard enough. Amare's game relies on athleticism. As that declines so will his game. Bosh is much more fundamentally sound.
And for the record, let's bump after the 2010/11 season, when Bosh makes All NBA and Amare doesn't.
No, because the trio signing is great for David Stern. Way too much $ involved for him to try and break it up. Obviously lots of fans are annoyed with it, but you're kidding yourself if you don't see the potential cash cow the Heat can bring in revenue for the NBA.
Plus come on, you're a Suns fan. You guys of all people should know David Stern isn't completely honest and has been known to look the other way. The Cavs and Raps don't wanna look any more butt hurt than they already do with their franchise players leaving. They'll eventually learn to move on.
But you said he had nothing to play for? How could someone have a career year the season he has "nothing to play for".
Link me to some threads during the season about him not trying.
And in the meantime Amare is the all NBA player and Bosh isn't.
Surprised it took this long for Spurfan to involve Stern in his conspiracy theory.
I'm not one to blame David Stern for the Suns ups. And look at the OP of the thread you're posting in, Colangelo doesn't seem to care very much about not looking butt hurt. If there was any evidence of blatant tampering Toronto and/or Cleveland would run with it.
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