Like you later point out, there are so many better places to see unless you want to see that history up close.
Just remember. they are typical liberals. Only liberals can race bait, and yes. You did. I say rightfully so however. I love seeing them get torqued over the same they pull. It's Hillarious. (intentional sp)
My God man.your a ing bigot dude. Dont try to spin it. OWN THAT . Be proud of your white heritage, and take pride in slamming people of color at every opportunity.
Dont ever settle for being second best, CC.
Why do you spin such things?
Do you even know what the Articles of Confederation are?
The Articles of Confederation
Nov. 15, 1777
To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting.
Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the states of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.
I.
The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America".
II.
Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
III.
The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.
IV.
The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this Union, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be en led to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall free ingress and regress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of trade and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively, provided that such restrictions shall not extend so far as to prevent the removal of property imported into any State, to any other State, of which the owner is an inhabitant; provided also that no imposition, duties or restriction shall be laid by any State, on the property of the United States, or either of them.
If any person guilty of, or charged with, treason, felony, or other high misdemeanor in any State, shall flee from justice, and be found in any of the United States, he shall, upon demand of the Governor or executive power of the State from which he fled, be delivered up and removed to the State having jurisdiction of his offense.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each of these States to the records, acts, and judicial proceedings of the courts and magistrates of every other State.
V.
For the most convenient management of the general interests of the United States, delegates shall be annually appointed in such manner as the legislatures of each State shall direct, to meet in Congress on the first Monday in November, in every year, with a powerreserved to each State to recall its delegates, or any of them, at any time within the year, and to send others in their stead for the remainder of the year.
No State shall be represented in Congress by less than two, nor more than seven members; and no person shall be capable of being a delegate for more than three years in any term of six years; nor shall any person, being a delegate, be capable of holding any office under the United States, for which he, or another for his benefit, receives any salary, fees or emolument of any kind.
Each State shall maintain its own delegates in a meeting of the States, and while they act as members of the committee of the States.
In determining questions in the United States in Congress assembled, each State shall have one vote.
Freedom of speech and debate in Congress shall not be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Congress, and the members of Congress shall be protected in their persons from arrests or imprisonments, during the time of their going to and from, and attendence on Congress, except for treason, felony, or breach of the peace.
VI.
No State, without the consent of the United States in Congress assembled, shall send any embassy to, or receive any embassy from, or enter into any conference, agreement, alliance or treaty with any King, Prince or State; nor shall any person holding any office of profit or trust under the United States, or any of them, accept any present, emolument, office or le of any kind whatever from any King, Prince or foreign State; nor shall the United States in Congress assembled, or any of them, grant any le of nobility.
No two or more States shall enter into any treaty, confederation or alliance whatever between them, without the consent of the United States in Congress assembled, specifying accurately the purposes for which the same is to be entered into, and how long it shall continue.
No State shall lay any imposts or duties, which may interfere with any stipulations in treaties, entered into by the United States in Congress assembled, with any King, Prince or State, in pursuance of any treaties already proposed by Congress, to the courts of France and Spain.
No vessel of war shall be kept up in time of peace by any State, except such number only, as shall be deemed necessary by the United States in Congress assembled, for the defense of such State, or its trade; nor shall any body of forces be kept up by any State in time of peace, except such number only, as in the judgement of the United States in Congress assembled, shall be deemed requisite to garrison the forts necessary for the defense of such State; but every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quan y of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
No State shall engage in any war without the consent of the United States in Congress assembled, unless such State be actually invaded by enemies, or shall have received certain advice of a resolution being formed by some nation of Indians to invade such State, and the danger is so imminent as not to admit of a delay till the United States in Congress assembled can be consulted; nor shall any State grant commissions to any ships or vessels of war, nor letters of marque or reprisal, except it be after a declaration of war by the United States in Congress assembled, and then only against the Kingdom or State and the subjects thereof, against which war has been so declared, and under such regulations as shall be established by the United States in Congress assembled, unless such State be infested by pirates, in which case vessels of war may be fitted out for that occasion, and kept so long as the danger shall continue, or until the United States in Congress assembled shall determine otherwise.
VII.
When land forces are raised by any State for the common defense, all officers of or under the rank of colonel, shall be appointed by the legislature of each State respectively, by whom such forces shall be raised, or in such manner as such State shall direct, and all vacancies shall be filled up by the State which first made the appointment.
VIII.
All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defense or general welfare, and allowed by the United States in Congress assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the several States in proportion to the value of all land within each State, granted or surveyed for any person, as such land and the buildings and improvements thereon shall be estimated according to such mode as the United States in Congress assembled, shall from time to time direct and appoint.
The taxes for paying that proportion shall be laid and levied by the authority and direction of the legislatures of the several States within the time agreed upon by the United States in Congress assembled.
IX.
The United States in Congress assembled, shall have the sole and exclusive right and power of determining on peace and war, except in the cases mentioned in the sixth article
* of sending and receiving ambassadors
* entering into treaties and alliances, provided that no treaty of commerce shall be made whereby the legislative power of the respective States shall be restrained from imposing such imposts and duties on foreigners, as their own people are subjected to, or from prohibiting the exportation or importation of any species of goods or commodities whatsoever
* of establishing rules for deciding in all cases, what captures on land or water shall be legal, and in what manner prizes taken by land or naval forces in the service of the United States shall be divided or appropriated
* of granting letters of marque and reprisal in times of peace
* appointing courts for the trial of piracies and felonies commited on the high seas and establishing courts for receiving and determining finally appeals in all cases of captures, provided that no member of Congress shall be appointed a judge of any of the said courts.
The United States in Congress assembled shall also be the last resort on appeal in all disputes and differences now subsisting or that hereafter may arise between two or more States concerning boundary, jurisdiction or any other causes whatever; which authority shall always be exercised in the manner following. Whenever the legislative or executive authority or lawful agent of any State in controversy with another shall present a pe ion to Congress stating the matter in question and praying for a hearing, notice thereof shall be given by order of Congress to the legislative or executive authority of the other State in controversy, and a day assigned for the appearance of the parties by their lawful agents, who shall then be directed to appoint by joint consent, commissioners or judges to cons ute a court for hearing and determining the matter in question: but if they cannot agree, Congress shall name three persons out of each of the United States, and from the list of such persons each party shall alternately strike out one, the pe ioners beginning, until the number shall be reduced to thirteen; and from that number not less than seven, nor more than nine names as Congress shall direct, shall in the presence of Congress be drawn out by lot, and the persons whose names shall be so drawn or any five of them, shall be commissioners or judges, to hear and finally determine the controversy, so always as a major part of the judges who shall hear the cause shall agree in the determination: and if either party shall neglect to attend at the day appointed, without showing reasons, which Congress shall judge sufficient, or being present shall refuse to strike, the Congress shall proceed to nominate three persons out of each State, and the secretary of Congress shall strike in behalf of such party absent or refusing; and the judgement and sentence of the court to be appointed, in the manner before prescribed, shall be final and conclusive; and if any of the parties shall refuse to submit to the authority of such court, or to appear or defend their claim or cause, the court shall nevertheless proceed to pronounce sentence, or judgement, which shall in like manner be final and decisive, the judgement or sentence and other proceedings being in either case transmitted to Congress, and lodged among the acts of Congress for the security of the parties concerned: provided that every commissioner, before he sits in judgement, shall take an oath to be administered by one of the judges of the supreme or superior court of the State, where the cause shall be tried, 'well and truly to hear and determine the matter in question, according to the best of his judgement, without favor, affection or hope of reward': provided also, that no State shall be deprived of territory for the benefit of the United States.
All controversies concerning the private right of soil claimed under different grants of two or more States, whose jurisdictions as they may respect such lands, and the States which passed such grants are adjusted, the said grants or either of them being at the same time claimed to have originated antecedent to such settlement of jurisdiction, shall on the pe ion of either party to the Congress of the United States, be finally determined as near as may be in the same manner as is before presecribed for deciding disputes respecting territorial jurisdiction between different States.
The United States in Congress assembled shall also have the sole and exclusive right and power of regulating the alloy and value of coin struck by their own authority, or by that of the respective States
* fixing the standards of weights and measures throughout the United States
* regulating the trade and managing all affairs with the Indians, not members of any of the States, provided that the legislative right of any State within its own limits be not infringed or violated
* establishing or regulating post offices from one State to another, throughout all the United States, and exacting such postage on the papers passing through the same as may be requisite to defray the expenses of the said office
* appointing all officers of the land forces, in the service of the United States, excepting regimental officers
* appointing all the officers of the naval forces, and commissioning all officers whatever in the service of the United States
* making rules for the government and regulation of the said land and naval forces, and directing their operations.
The United States in Congress assembled shall have authority to appoint a committee, to sit in the recess of Congress, to be denominated 'A Committee of the States', and to consist of one delegate from each State; and to appoint such other committees and civil officers as may be necessary for managing the general affairs of the United States under their direction
* to appoint one of their members to preside, provided that no person be allowed to serve in the office of president more than one year in any term of three years; to ascertain the necessary sums of money to be raised for the service of the United States, and to appropriate and apply the same for defraying the public expenses
* to borrow money, or emit bills on the credit of the United States, transmitting every half-year to the respective States an account of the sums of money so borrowed or emitted
* to build and equip a navy
* to agree upon the number of land forces, and to make requisitions from each State for its quota, in proportion to the number of white inhabitants in such State; which requisition shall be binding, and thereupon the legislature of each State shall appoint the regimental officers, raise the men and cloath, arm and equip them in a solid-like manner, at the expense of the United States; and the officers and men so cloathed, armed and equipped shall march to the place appointed, and within the time agreed on by the United States in Congress assembled. But if the United States in Congress assembled shall, on consideration of cir stances judge proper that any State should not raise men, or should raise a smaller number of men than the quota thereof, such extra number shall be raised, officered, cloathed, armed and equipped in the same manner as the quota of each State, unless the legislature of such State shall judge that such extra number cannot be safely spread out in the same, in which case they shall raise, officer, cloath, arm and equip as many of such extra number as they judeg can be safely spared. And the officers and men so cloathed, armed, and equipped, shall march to the place appointed, and within the time agreed on by the United States in Congress assembled.
The United States in Congress assembled shall never engage in a war, nor grant letters of marque or reprisal in time of peace, nor enter into any treaties or alliances, nor coin money, nor regulate the value thereof, nor ascertain the sums and expenses necessary for the defense and welfare of the United States, or any of them, nor emit bills, nor borrow money on the credit of the United States, nor appropriate money, nor agree upon the number of vessels of war, to be built or purchased, or the number of land or sea forces to be raised, nor appoint a commander in chief of the army or navy, unless nine States assent to the same: nor shall a question on any other point, except for adjourning from day to day be determined, unless by the votes of the majority of the United States in Congress assembled.
The Congress of the United States shall have power to adjourn to any time within the year, and to any place within the United States, so that no period of adjournment be for a longer duration than the space of six months, and shall publish the journal of their proceedings monthly, except such parts thereof relating to treaties, alliances or military operations, as in their judgement require secrecy; and the yeas and nays of the delegates of each State on any question shall be entered on the journal, when it is desired by any delegates of a State, or any of them, at his or their request shall be furnished with a transcript of the said journal, except such parts as are above excepted, to lay before the legislatures of the several States.
X.
The Committee of the States, or any nine of them, shall be authorized to execute, in the recess of Congress, such of the powers of Congress as the United States in Congress assembled, by the consent of the nine States, shall from time to time think expedient to vest them with; provided that no power be delegated to the said Committee, for the exercise of which, by the Articles of Confederation, the voice of nine States in the Congress of the United States assembled be requisite.
XI.
Canada acceding to this confederation, and adjoining in the measures of the United States, shall be admitted into, and en led to all the advantages of this Union; but no other colony shall be admitted into the same, unless such admission be agreed to by nine States.
XII.
All bills of credit emitted, monies borrowed, and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress, before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present confederation, shall be deemed and considered as a charge against the United States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the public faith are hereby solemnly pleged.
XIII.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union. Know Ye that we the undersigned delegates, by virtue of the power and authority to us given for that purpose, do by these presents, in the name and in behalf of our respective cons uents, fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union, and all and singular the matters and things therein contained: And we do further solemnly plight and engage the faith of our respective cons uents, that they shall abide by the determinations of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions, which by the said Confederation are submitted to them. And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual.
In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of Pennsylvania the ninth day of July in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-Eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America.
Agreed to by Congress 15 November 1777
ways to be called racist:
1. ask about obama's college years
2. ask about obama's drug use
3. use obama's middle name
4. question obama's religion
5. question why obama wanted to associate himself with marxist professors and radical black students
6. question obama's 20 year relationship with rev wright
7. question why mic e obama chooses her locations to visit, on her 8th vacation this year with her 40 friends filled entourage.
Am I missing anything?
good catch. I just saw the rebel flag. What a ing moron.
2,000,000 people go to see this every year.
Do you realize what a stupid line of reasoning this is?
What do you think was the reason Obama visited Alhambra?Just remember. they are typical liberals. Only liberals can race bait, and yes. You did. I say rightfully so however. I love seeing them get torqued over the same they pull. It's Hillarious. (intentional sp)
Spell it out.
What do you think was the reason Obama visited Alhambra?
Let's get down to it.
Wild Cobra and SnC:
Do you think Obama visited Alhambra to commemorate black Muslim power?
Yes or no.
Yes.
8. Not vote for him.
9. Question his policies.
The list is endless, so I'll let others add to it.
How long do you guys need to answer this question?
chump I don't play your game. You add nothing to any forum or any op's intent. You never answer people's questions. You are on my ignore and anytime I actually read your post, it reaffirms my reasoning for ignoring you in the first place. effin allstar.
Also when saying Obama, most people would assume you were talking about Barrack.
That long, eh?
I'll check back.
It's a political discussion forum. I am discussing politics.
Sure I do.You never answer people's questions.You realize you are not ignoring me, right?You are on my ignore and anytime I actually read your post, it reaffirms my reasoning for ignoring you in the first place. effin allstar.I'm talking to you. I figured you would have enough intellect to at least know which Obama was being referred to in a thread about a Mic e Obama that you started.Also when saying Obama, most people would assume you were talking about Barrack.
Was I wrong to make the assumption that you are smart enough to know that I am referring to Mic e Obama in your thread about Mic e Obama?
It's clear you are afraid to say what you think is the real reason Obama -- excuse me -- MIC E Obama chose to visit the Alhambra Palace.
You are too much of a coward to even state your own opinion on an anonymous message board.
I have no respect for you.
Do you understand what the significance the Art of Confed have to slave owners of the south atthe time of the civil war?
History fail.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Is that the revisionist history they teach now?
have you actually read the articles? In some ways they are better than our cons ution, other ways lacking. However, they are the first formal united do ents.
By your charge, the cons ution that superseded the articles are as bad or worse.
Parker, please show me the paragraph(s) that were preferential to slave owners that the cons ution doesn't have.
Or you talking out your indoctrinated ass again?
It's obvious you spent all your school years with the Department of Education controlling the teaching agenda. I didn't.
There weren't any. Try again WC. You may need to brush up on the history immediately preceding the civil war. Good luck!
Another right-wing asshole, like the one on ST, sliming Mic e O for her trip:
"Consider for the the Right:
1. Welfare was/is framed as reparations for slavery.
2. Health care reform is reparations for slavery.
3. African America farmers winning a billion dollar lawsuit against the USDA for decades of discrimination is reparations for slavery.
4. Obama’s election signals a movement to pay black Americans reparations for slavery–even though the President opposes such an initiative as unworkable.
5. In fact, for Beck et al. every policy initiative offered by Obama is somehow connected to reparations for slavery.
6. Now, Mic e Obama’s trip to Spain is somehow connected to the transatlantic slave trade, white guilt, and reparations for slavery."
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...s-for-slavery/
No, tell me why the articles of Confederation are to blame. I guess you have no answer. If you know the history, then tell me. At least point me the right direction that supports your claim.
Do not expect me to take your indoctrinated asses word on history. Show me.
I showed you the text of a do ent you blame, and you cannot show me where it is to blame?
Make your case. I'm waiting, or do you like being called the names that suit you. Lib , Kool-Ade drinker, lemming, etc.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-07-2010 at 06:23 PM.
I think he thought it was the confederate states cons ution which reads like a communist cons ution.
I'll bet he thought the Articles of Confederation were the South's do ent leading to succession, and he thinks I need to learn the civil war history.
I tell you. It's that indoctrination in schools.
Parker...
Just how old are you?
Flat out history. That you guys didnt know. Take a seat class, bell is about to ring.
Southern states tried to claim that the Cons ution was not the law of the land...that the Articles governed.
Can anyone tell me why?
Class?
Thats right...because it was their way of sidestepping the protections in the cons ution that would eventually give rights to all men. They wanted the right to keep slavery in their own states, they wanted to keep on bigot'in as they saw fit. The Articles were the ultimate authority if your aim was to secure states' supremacy over the fed gov's progressive ways at the time.
Homework for tonight: read up on this topic and I expect a report by tomorrow.
Regardless, its a valid question. It would clarify just what the Cosmic, Cobra and you are trying to imply!
so... what exactly is the answer? or are you going to refuse to answer under the guise of another bull excuse?
Okay, the fact that you used the word "pilgrimage" is enough to prove that you are making ridiculous bigoted inferences. Catholics make pilgrimages to the Vatican - muslims make a pilgrimage to Mecca - by calling the Obamas pilgrims you infer that Alhambra is part of their iden y. You have limited Alhambra's significance to either the Moors or Spanish history, and I'm pretty sure you don't think that they have something in common with Spanish history. That leaves Moors. So by calling their visit to Alhambra a "pilgrimage," you're basically calling them Moors.
That's actually pretty racist. A black family goes to a country and visits one of their most popular cultural and artistic features, and you go STRAIGHT for the race angle. If an ACTUAL muslim family went to visit Alhambra, do you automatically assume that they are going so they can be all nostalgic for the good ole 1200s?
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