Clinton. And Bush Sr was a good president too. But that was 10 years ago, and we're way more than 10x worse than back then.
What he means is that the private sector has to deal in reality, a place where the concept of a "bottom line" actually exists. The federal government on the other hand exists in a fantasy world where there's no such thing as a bottom line. The federal government merely decides what they feel like paying themselves and if that means a bigger defecit, so what?
That's why your earlier point about private sector compensation "not keeping up" with government compensation is so incredibly stupid.
what's an example of a specific job where the federal worker makes twice his private counterpart?
Answer me this: Why does the US still have the best military in the world?What he means is that the private sector has to deal in reality, a place where the concept of a "bottom line" actually exists. The federal government on the other hand exists in a fantasy world where there's no such thing as a bottom line. The federal government merely decides what they feel like paying themselves and if that means a bigger defecit, so what?
Because We The People are okay borrowing a load of money to have a badass one.
Now you answer me this: What does this have to do with the topic considering the numbers in question are for federal civilian employees.
We have the best military because we embargo our best technology.....we don't ship it off to china, Indonesia, or anywhere else like multinational corporations do...
No . Plus the difference between the military pay and civilian feds is staggering. A perfect example is Del Rio. A young basic enlistee in the Air Force at Laughlin AFB is probably making $18,000 a year. Same town, Border Patrol agents with the same basic education/skills are starting at $45,000 and easily knocking down $60,000-$70,000 with overtime. That's just salary and doesn't include pension.
Thank you for this completely irrelevant piece of information.
I disagree.
....my point is that private business is short-sighted...it makes a decision to protect its bottom line by selling its trade secrets and then blames employees when other multinational corporations come out with products that are superior or less expensive...
....what if NASA or Homeland security took what the tech they have and sold it on the open market the way private businesses do?
Sometimes I just read your posts and go ????????? WTF is he rambling about?
What business are actively selling their state of the art trade secrets?
Your point means nothing because businesses have to worry about a bottom line and the federal government does not.
What if the federal government had to worry about going out of business?....what if a tech employee for NASA or Homeland security took what they have learned and sold it on the open market the way private businesses do?
Or not being able to pay bills/meet payroll?
So, the government operates the way businesses should operate but can't because its lost its technological edge.....and getting back that edge would take a Manhattan project type investment in research and development...
Don't all federal offices operate on a yearly appropriated spending budget?
I can only speak to my specific field, but it my case it's not that the guy doing a similar job for the federal government is taking home twice what i am. It's that after 30 years he's still going to be getting a paycheck for life and I'm not. I'm not complaining, I chose to work where I am. I'm also not faulting him. It's a good deal for him. But as taxpayers we have to be concerned about what's a good deal for us and there's a limit to how much money we the taxpayers should be spending to pay former government employees to not work for us anymore.
...and doesn't my point have as much to do with how much federal employees make versus private sector counter-parts as your point about how federal employees can run their own deficits?
Apparently not. Ask Nancy Pelosi about that one.
You worked for 50 years and get no pension? Wow..
I am a fed worker and the reason there salaries are high is because when the economy was good they had to pay their workers to compete with the outside. as soon as the fed caught up the economy tanked and the salaries went down on the outside, but fed workers, by law, cannot take a pay cuts.
that is why I am a fed worker.
You act like it's make believe.
probably because private co.'s have to make a profit. Govt. jobs do the complete opposite.
..but federal employees don't write their own budgets...and pay can and often is reduced by outsourcing to the private sector or eliminating positions..
The Government isn't contributing to pensions at 4x the rate private companies are, in some cases the money goes to bail out pension when pension funds run short on projected payment money, as happens during slow to no growth periods thanks to greedy private industry fund managers putting money in risk investments....•Benefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.
govt employees do not have to entice you to take your business to them. They don't have to treat you as a consumer or customer because their office's success is not dictated on how well they performed their job duties.
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