Reply With Quotewhere did you hear it from?
Sounds as though SA radio has emerged with a rumor that SA, Philly, and NY are discussing a three-way trade, principles being:
Van Horn (13.2 million) to NY
Spree (13.5 mil) to SA
Also reportedly a part of the deal is that Speedy will be S&T to NY (call it 5 mil)
And that another Spur, either SJax or Rose, will be dealt. In the case of Rose being dealt, NY would send back Kurt Thomas (he and Rose's salaries are virtual matches).
Thoughts? Confirmations? I admit details are kind of sketchy but I wanted to throw this out there and see what people think/have heard elsewhere.
AHF
where did you hear it from?
Hmmm, my first impression is "nooooooo!", but if getting Spree would give us a shot at FAs next year (when does his contract end?), then okay. Otherwise, why do we want to clog our SG rotation??? And Spree's not what he once was...
Sprewell would really help the team, and Kurt Thomas would be an awesome pickup if we lost Malik. Sounds way too good to be true, so I'll assume it's not.
Add Spree if you can....
Parker
Manu
Spree
TD
RASHO
That lineup can match anyone in the NBA .
baseline:
Some of it seems to fit:
NY wants to dump Spree, and reportedly Kurt as well.
Layden is reportedly enamored with KVH and Speedy (and Malik would give them an east coast boy, or Philly one of its sons back).
Philly is looking to move Van Horn and they just signed Kenny Thomas today to a deal that puts them up towards the lux. tax (mid-50s with their draft picks and bench fillers still to go).
And their ownership reportedly wants no part of the lux tax.
For SA, you could go back to the fact that SA has considered Spree, and Pop is enamored with him. When we were jettisoning cap room for this summer, we wanted no part of a Spree deal. But now that FA03 is a bust? Why not.
My guess is that Bowen or SJax would be sent out, because if not we'd have too much clutter on the wing. We essentially lose our cap space after this year anyway, so not grab Spree?
This deal would also fit into future plans for Manu and TPark in my opinion:
After 04-05 Spree would come off the books (and his 14 mil salary), and if the trade is for Thomas then that's another 6 million off the books as his salary expires at the same time.
That would be the same summer TP is up for a new contract, and in the case of Manu next summer we could give him a deal with a player opt-out clause for after 04-05, and then have his full bird rights to re-sign him.
I'll agree this deal seems too perfect, but there does seem to be some legs to the Knicks and Spurs talking (courtesy ESPN today) about Spree, so maybe this is the new plan?
I dunno, like I said, it was discussed in chat and people were clamoring for more details and talk, so I figured I'd get it out there for discussion.
AHF
No way... you start Spree at the 2 (his natural position), Manu backs he and TP up, and Jax backs Bruce up.
This is what I have been begging for since Jason Kidd turned us down. Give me Kurt Thomas and Sprewell and I will be sooo friggin happy. Claxton, Rose, Rasho, Jax and/or Bowen are all expendable to make a trade like this happen.
I don't move Bowen in that scenario. No way Spree can guard Kobe, and Manu can't either. Jax would have to agree to be traded, which I don't see.
Good point on Jax baseline,
Perhaps that's why Kurt and Malik's names were thrown into the mix.
AHF
Jax would be willing to be traded if he is told Manu will be taking his starting position this year, which alot of people already wanted last year!
The Spurs would have to send out a salary in addition to Claxton. Man I would hate to see Rose go. This is a tough call because Spree is the exact type of perimeter scorer the Spurs need to complement Duncan but Rose gives the Spurs what they need off the bench and is a vital component of the Spurs' success. Now with Nesterovic coming on board the primary backup PF/C is going to be more important than ever. KThomas would help to alleviate some concerns but it will take a while for him to get up to speed and he cannot play perimeter D like Malik has been able to. Two years ago the Spurs make this deal but today the answer is not that clear cut.
The Spurs make this deal if they are worried about making a splash this offseason but for the long term Rose will be an important anchor...especially through Duncan's prime.
It will be interesting to see what Pop does.
Good analysis Coolidge. There are a lot of questions about Kurt Thomas as a backup and we'd miss Malik alot. So it would be better if Thomas and 'Lik were left out of the deal, but it might be a sacrifice that needs to be made.
Why would the Spurs make a short-term move like this? For the sake of doing it?
So we can sign a max FA in '05. Can you imagine a max FA teamed up with Tim Duncan!?! We'd be a dyna....
Spree has shot .400 from the field the last two year.
Why would the Knicks want Rose in exchange for Thomas? If the Knicks are looking for cap relief- they sure aren't going to get any by trading Thomas' 2 years remaining for Rose's 6.
Their production is similar (when you adjust for Rose being a bench player and Thomas being a starter), but the Knicks are already filled with too many undersized PFs to be trading the 6'9" Thomas for the 6'5" Rose.
That part of the deal doesn't make any sense to me, leading me to believe its probably BS.
I agree about 'Lik and Thomas being left out of the deal. In fact, I can't see why the Knicks would want that part of the deal -- Thomas had a strong year and fits into their system better than Malik would. Thomas: 14Pts/8Rebs/1.2Blk; Malik: 10Pts/6Rebs/0.5Blk.
My worry would be that Philly demands Malik as part of their haul (in addition to Speedy). Given their gap up front (even with Kenny Thomas resigned) and Malik's Philly roots, this may well be their objective...
As Coolidge pointed out, losing Malik would be a big blow to us. It would really make getting Horry a priority. Alternately (or in addition), I'd figure out how to buy out Scola's contract and get him up here ASAP.
What max free agents will be available come '05?
I think Malik would be more likely to end up in Philly in any deal.
I'm not sure why, but Thomas is reportedly on the block for NY, that's why him being rumored in the deal fit in my mind.
AHF
As for free agents in '05, as I said:
1. TP will be up for a new contract (and we'll have full bird rights)
2. Assuming the plan is to give Manu a deal next year that allows him to opt out after one year when we have his Full Bird Rights, we'll also be looking at a new deal for him in '05.
This is also why bringing in both Thomas and Spree makes sense to me - that'd be 20 million coming off the books in '05 between those two.
AHF
hasn't anyone learned their lesson. GW this should make you happy. There is no reason to believe we can get a high profile star FA in 03, 04 , 05 or any other ing year.
Sprewell for 13M+ for next two years...NO ING THANKS
Take off the STAR googles. We don't need this guy, we have Jax and Manu. You don't trade quality youth for aging vet. Sprewell is not a top 20 player, he is only paid like one.
Go Spurs...
Thomas can put up Rose's #s but the concern is can he be as versatile as Rose? Rose can play physical but he can also thrive in a open court finesse game. Dammit I would hope that Philly has a trade exception or something to absorb that $1.5 mil of Spree's salary the Spurs can't so that the Spurs wouldn't have to send out anyone currently under contract.
I wonder what PJ thinks of all this....
I thin its funny that people about how much an athelete makes over a year, do Y OU write the checks?
I don't care if spree is overpriced, this isn't a bad deal, he'd help.
I don't mind it as long as we retain bowen.
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