Rumblings: SA-Philly-NY Trade

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Parker
Manu
Spree
Tim
Rasho

Yeah, that line up would suck...


for LA.

AHF

[junglespur]

the Knicks remain interested in a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, with Manu Ginóbili as the main component, two league officials said.

The problem is matching salaries. After signing Rasho Nesterovic, the Spurs have about $8 million in salary-cap space. If the Knicks try to include Sprewell, who will earn $13.5 million next season, they must take back someone in addition to Ginóbili, who will make $1.5 million in the final year of his contract.

more fuel to the fire ...

IMO, this speculation is way off. No way Pop and RC deal away Manu (major young talent and difference-maker) for Spree (past his best years, huge contract Knicks need to get rid of). The three-way deal including Van Horn and Philly (that does not include Manu) makes much more sense from the Spurs standpoint...


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July 17, 2003
Knicks Have Van Horn on Their Radar Screen
By STEVE POPPER


OSTON, July 16 - While news conferences were held around the N.B.A. today on the first signing day for free agents, the Knicks' executives remained holed up here at the Reebok Pro Summer League working the telephones, trying to find a way to improve their team.

With only the $4.9 million midlevel salary-cap exception to use for a free agent and the pool of impact players drying up quickly, the Knicks have pushed forward with their efforts to make a trade. One league official said today that the Knicks remained in the chase for Philadelphia forward Keith Van Horn, although the 76ers' general manager, Billy King, denied that Van Horn was on the market.

Van Horn, a former Net, struggled at times with the 76ers last season, showing the same inconsistency and lack of aggressiveness he displayed in New Jersey. After averaging 15.9 points and 7.1 rebounds in the regular season, Van Horn averaged only 7.8 points in the Eastern Conference semifinals against Detroit.

The Knicks tried to acquire Van Horn at the trading deadline in February, when they were shopping Latrell Sprewell. According to the league official, the 76ers are not interested in Sprewell but could be enticed with a package that included Charlie Ward and Kurt Thomas.

Ward is in the final year of a contract that will pay him $6 million next season, but he can also be bought out for $2 million until Jan. 1. Kurt Thomas, while averaging numbers similar to Van Horn's (14 points and 7.9 rebounds), is due to earn $5.4 million next season and has a $5.9 million team option for 2004-5.

Van Horn will earn $13.3 million next season; his deal then has two more years totaling $30.2 million.

"We'll continue to work, and we're not going to rest the phones or communication in the league to try and make the team better," Knicks General Manager Scott Layden said. "I feel good about the team, I feel good about the depth and we're going to continue to make the team better. That's where we are."

Van Horn is not the only player the Knicks have singled out. While their efforts to add a center have come up empty, the Knicks remain interested in a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, with Manu Ginóbili as the main component, two league officials said.

The problem is matching salaries. After signing Rasho Nesterovic, the Spurs have about $8 million in salary-cap space. If the Knicks try to include Sprewell, who will earn $13.5 million next season, they must take back someone in addition to Ginóbili, who will make $1.5 million in the final year of his contract.

The Knicks, who lost out on Nesterovic to the Spurs, had little interest in center Michael Olowokandi, who agreed to a deal with Minnesota. The other free-agent center who did pique the Knicks' interest, Indiana's Brad Miller, may be out of their reach.

If the Knicks hope to showcase any of their young players, performances in the summer league today by point guard Frank Williams and the frontcourt player Maciej Lampe, could help. The Knicks' first-round pick this year, Mike Sweetney, cannot be traded until Dec. 15, but Williams, last year's first-rounder, and Lampe, a second-round pick this year who is unsigned, can be traded.

Williams scored 35 points in a triple-overtime victory over the Dallas Mavericks, and Lampe added 20.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not to mention they also have our cap figure messed up.

I don't think talks would be continuing with Manu as the key component, the Spurs would have walked away from that already.

Manu's name was in the initial report this morning, but I bet if they're still talking the names (at least on SA's side) have changed.

AHF

[MannyIsGod]

Don't journalists do research anymore?

RC said flat out, manu will not be traded.

They also have the cap wrong by good third, how are they so stupid?

[Shaq H8ter]

No one touches Manu!
Malik maybe...
Speedy S&T yes...
Manu no!

[KoriEllis]

This thread confused me.

So, is the rumor ...

Spree to SA
Van Horn to NY
Speedy to NY
Jack or Malik to Phi (and if it's Malik, then Thomas to SA)

???

Is that correct?

[SlayerMin]

Who is this Steve Popper guy?

I can't believe that RC and POP would even consider trading Ginobili.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kori,

That looks right.

AHF

[T Park Num 9]

I dont like sending out young developing guards to get one on the back end of his career.

Malik for Kurt Thomas?? Yeah Id do that.

Jack or Manu for Spree??
No thanks.

Manu IMO will be just as good as Spree, hes got the showings of a good defender and a developing outside shot.

IMO Manu and Jack are too young, too raw, and too gifted to give up on after 1 year.

[timvp]

I wouldn't want to trade KThomas for Rose. Rose is a key off the bench and KThomas is one turn of an ankle away from retirement (he had Zydrunas like foot trouble early in his career).

Sprewell is Pop's all-time favorite player. Eventually he'll be a Spur. In this scenario, it looks like you'd have to give up either Jack, Bowen or Rose to get him. I'm not 100% sold that he's better than any of those guys.

He's 32 years old and last year he had his worst season as a pro. He averaged 16.4 points and only shot 40.2% from the field. He's also slowed down on the defensive end and can't bring it on that side of the ball like he used to.

I wouldn't love this trade, but if the Spurs think they need more perimeter scoring ... then you do this trade. That's what it comes down to.

[NCaliSpurs]

Guys, guys, guys.

From today's ludden article:

The Spurs first discussed a possible three-team deal with Philadelphia and New York that would bring Sprewell to San Antonio around the trade deadline in February, but tabled those talks because they didn't want to prematurely compromise their cap room.

We have to preserve our precious cap room.

Geez louis. Our guys need to learn when enough is enough. We couldn't get nobody. All the good players have signed. Are we really trying for a lamar odom or Arenas? I don't think so.

Maybe we are saving the capspace for pippen and horry.

:vomit

[MannyIsGod]

You did read that right?

That was in the middle of our le run, in FEBRUARY.

[CosmicCowboyXXX]

Off the top of my head I don't think the numbers work on that trade...just to get Spreewell we would need to send out about 7 million in salaries after Speedy...Malik is BY2 so to make any deal for Spree work we would have to send out at least Malik and Manu or Bowen...that would be crazy...

[Ghost Writer]

I would love to have Sprewell and Kurt Thomas on the Spurs.

[kohai]

I read this with interest and only have one comment:

NO MANU IN THIS TRADE.

[NCaliSpurs]

You did read that right?

That was in the middle of our le run, in FEBRUARY.

That is too funny. My bad.

[picnroll]

link to article
Horn won't come for Spree

But Kurt, Charlie could go to Sixers

By FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER


The Knicks are hoping to land Keith Van Horn.

BOSTON — The Knicks and Sixers have resurrected talks for a trade that would include Keith Van Horn but not Latrell Sprewell.
Officials from both teams have met face-to-face over the last two days here at the Reebok Summer League, and according to an NBA source, the discussions have centered upon a deal that would include sending Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward to Philadelphia for Van Horn.

The Sixers do not have much interest in Sprewell, whom the Knicks are trying desperately to trade. Last summer, Thomas, Ward and Travis Knight were nearly sent to Philadelphia in a deal for Dikembe Mutombo, but the Knicks turned it down. Days later, Mutombo was traded to New Jersey for Van Horn and Todd MacCulloch.

"We've spoken to the Knicks a few times," said Sixers GM Billy King. "But I talk to everybody."

King met with Knicks president Scott Layden and Steve Mills, the Garden president of sports operations, for 10 minutes during halftime of the Sixers-Wizards summer league game. Layden and King had an informal discussion on Tuesday.

Both Layden and head coach Don Chaney have liked Van Horn for years. Layden has refused to comment on potential trades or free agent signings. But it is clear the Knicks feel a sense of urgency to get something done.

On a day that Clippers free agent center Michael Olowokandi signed with the Timberwolves, the Knicks were scrambling to find a center. The best available big man on the free-agent market is Indiana's Brad Miller, who is expected to re-sign with the Pacers. The Knicks' only chance of getting Miller would be in a sign and trade, which appears unlikely.

The Knicks were never in the running for Olowokandi, who signed for the mid-level exception of $4.91 million. The Knicks would have offered the same deal, but people in the organization raised concerned about Olowokandi's work ethic.

"We had entertained the idea of maybe meeting with him but we had some doubts about him," Chaney said. "It didn't surprise me what he signed for."

There is a theory that once Olowokandi is free from the Clippers he will emerge as a quality center in a league where such players are at a premium. Minnesota GM Kevin McHale, who lost Rasho Nesterovic to San Antonio one day earlier, believes his club can turn around Olowokandi's career.

If so, the Knicks will have to explain why they never made an attempt to land Olowokandi. Most of the big-name free agents have signed while the Knicks have been shut out.

Mills dismissed the notion that free agents no longer consider the Knicks a viable option because the team has experienced two straight losing seasons.

"I still think this is a place where players want to play," Mills said.

Sprewell, for one, has said repeatedly that his goal is to remain with the Knicks. However, Layden is exploring every trade possibility without much luck.

The Knicks are still hoping to work out a deal with San Antonio for Manu Ginobili. Portland and Dallas may be the only teams willing to take on Sprewell's bloated contract, which has two years and $28 million left on it.

"Latrell's status hasn't changed," Chaney said. "I would love to have him here, but when you're looking to improve your team you have to listen to what is out there. This is a business. Latrell knows that."

[MrCarmenE]

Thursday, July 17, 2003

By AL IANNAZZONE
STAFF WRITER



The Knicks are having serious conversations with the Sixers about Keith Van Horn, but Latrell Sprewell has not been mentioned in the talks.

According to at least two NBA sources, Philadelphia is not interested in Sprewell. The deal likely includes Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. Another player might be added to match up salaries. Van Horn, a former Net, makes $13.3 million this season. Thomas and Ward earn $11.4 million combined.

The Knicks tried to acquire the 6-foot-10 Van Horn before February's trading deadline, but were unsuccessful.

Knicks' general manager Scott Layden and Steve Mills, the president of Garden sports team operations, met with Sixers' GM Billy King for 10 minutes Wednesday afternoon at the Boston Pro Summer League.

This is the second straight summer the Knicks and the Sixers are trying to make a deal. Last summer, Thomas was involved in a deal that would have sent Dikembe Mutombo to the Knicks. But owner James Dolan didn't want Mutombo's contract. The Nets acquired Mutombo for Todd MacCulloch and Van Horn.

The Knicks also have been talking to the Spurs about a Sprewell-for-Manu Ginobili and Malik Rose swap. Their salaries don't equal Sprewell's $13.5 million, but the Spurs are about $9 million under the cap even after signing center Rasho Nesterovic, so they could make up the difference.

New York was shut out the first day free agents were allowed to sign with teams. The Knicks lost Nesterovic, who they offered the $4.92 midlevel exception, and Michael Olowokandi to the Timberwolves. The Knicks wanted to meet with Olowokandi before they made any offers, but Minnesota signed him to a three-year deal for the midlevel exception.

The Knicks have interest in Pacers' All-Star center Brad Miller, but they would have to do a sign-and-trade to get him. Denver, Memphis, and Boston are believed to be the front-runners for Miller's services if he doesn't re-sign with Indiana.

www.northjersey.com/page....FlZUVFeXk2

[Coolidge]

The Spurs have $12 million in cap room, give or take a few hundred thousand. It's certainly not $8 million. They would still have to send out a contract.

[Solid D]

This would be a bad trade - Manu and Rose for Sprewell - no way in the world.

Manu and Malik were big difference-makers in the le run...especially Manu.

His hustle plays, steals, unpredictable moves whenever he was lucky enough to get the ball passed to him, made him THE X-factor in most of the Spurs playoff games...especially late in games.

[Ghost Writer]

I agree, Solid D. I bete Manu would put up comprable numbers than Sprewell next season if given the same amount of minutes.

[2Cleva]

You guys think Ginobili could be a 18-20 ppg scorer?

If Spree is a guy Duncan wants, SA pulls the trigger. He may like Ginobili but he said he liked Parker too but was willing to walk over him to get to Kidd.

[Coolidge]

SA will not move Ginobili for Sprewell. They would move Rose if they could get a decent replacement like a Kurt Thomas.

The Spurs were willing to acquire Kidd but not with giving up Parker for him. They might've moved Parker to shape the team around Kidd but they weren't just going to give Parker away.

Based on the articles in this thread the Spurs are cool to this idea now.

[baseline bum]

Manu and Rose for Spree? LMAO! I wouldn't trade either of them for Latrell. I love Spree, but he's one dimensional now. His D has fallen way off and he's now a scorer and that's it.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spree's best days are behind him, Manu's best days are ahead of him.

Not a trade you make if you're San Antonio.