Congrats Kevin Durant....

[crc21209]

Maybe it's me, but KD has written all over him. Most of you tend to love 's so I'm sure this breaking news won't bother you at all.

At this jealous guy...

[JamStone]

The purpose of making fun of his FG% is to mock the implication from the OP that Durant is even comparable to Lebron as a player in the NBA..bringing up his FG% in the playoffs is a separate point and has absolutely nothing to do with his run in a different, inferior league..it's an immature reaction to an immature OP..

Durant shot poorly from the field against a very good defensive team that ended up winning a championship.

LeBron has faced a few very good defensive teams that ended up winning championships in the playoffs in recent seasons. Against the Boston Celtics in 2008, LeBron shot 35% from the field for the series. In the 2007 NBA Finals, LeBron shot 36% from the field against the Spurs.

So immature joke or not, your criticism of Durant's FG% against the Lakers last season makes very little sense.

Lebron has never been given the role that Durant was given during this tournament, for obvious reasons, due to having other high-usage players..

Lebron was also the clear #1 or #2 best player on the team with Wade, on a different level from any other players on the team, again, on a bigger state than this ty FIBA tournament that was missing key players on other teams..so while he didn't have the same role as Durant, he was still clearly the best or co-best player on that team..

Just because LeBron shared a leadership role, it doesn't mean he wasn't given the role. In the 2006 World Championships, LeBron was named captain of Team USA. He was the only player on the team to start all 9 games of the tournament. He averaged the most minutes of any player on the team.

In fact, LeBron was given more leadership responsibility than Durant was. Billups and Odom were the captains of Team USA this summer. Durant became the evident leader due to his play, not by given the role.

Either way, it's irrelevant..I didn't even claim that Lebron was as good as Durant during the tournament, all I said was that Lebron also has a Gold, which makes the comparison stupid..if he's claiming that Durant led a team to a Gold and Lebron didn't, it's not an accurate comparison..Lebron has never been given the role of the "leader" or "high usage" player on any of those teams, so it's technically impossible for him to have led these teams to medals..

The OP made a comment that Durant was able to lead a team to gold when someone else wasn't able to, obviously suggesting LeBron. It's not an inaccurate statement because LeBron failed to lead a Team USA to gold in 2006.

"High usage" isn't the only factor to determine leadership of a team, just like the player that scores the most isn't.

[Venti Quattro]

lol harlemheat hating on someone that's going to be definitely better than both mamba and robin in a year's time

i need to protect my star... MAHHHHH PREEEEHHHCIOOOOOUUSSSSS

[TheMACHINE]

This thread was clearly made so jamstone can wtfpwn HarlemHo again.

Props to the OP.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

This thread was clearly made so jamstone can wtfpwn HarlemHo again.

Props to the OP.

Lmao Jamstone once again proving why he is the deserving medal winner. I wonder if JS has owned HH's Ace AE yet?

[oh crap]

lol harlem. your schtick is consistent but you need to give it up already man. it's played out, maaan.

[HarlemHeat37]

Durant shot poorly from the field against a very good defensive team that ended up winning a championship.

LeBron has faced a few very good defensive teams that ended up winning championships in the playoffs in recent seasons. Against the Boston Celtics in 2008, LeBron shot 35% from the field for the series. In the 2007 NBA Finals, LeBron shot 36% from the field against the Spurs.

So immature joke or not, your criticism of Durant's FG% against the Lakers last season makes very little sense.

And as I've said before, Lebron has had some completely dominant and historic series/games, including games vs. elite defensive teams, while Durant is completely unproven in the playoffs..his only playoff series of his career was extremely bad for a superstar player, which makes it puzzling as to why he's being crowned already..

As I have said many times, I wouldn't be surprised if Durant becomes a playoff performer, but right now, he isn't..I find him to be overrated due to the fact that he isn't a playmaker, and the fact that he's completely unproven in big games..

Just because LeBron shared a leadership role, it doesn't mean he wasn't given the role. In the 2006 World Championships, LeBron was named captain of Team USA. He was the only player on the team to start all 9 games of the tournament. He averaged the most minutes of any player on the team.

In fact, LeBron was given more leadership responsibility than Durant was. Billups and Odom were the captains of Team USA this summer. Durant became the evident leader due to his play, not by given the role.

My point had nothing to do with which player was "given" a certain role..

My point is that Lebron on any international team has never been given even nearly the same amount of responsibility as Durant was given during this tournament, which makes it a poor comparison in regards to their roles IMO..

The OP made a comment that Durant was able to lead a team to gold when someone else wasn't able to, obviously suggesting LeBron. It's not an inaccurate statement because LeBron failed to lead a Team USA to gold in 2006.

It's irrelevant though, because I can argue that Lebron WAS the best player on the 2008 Olympics team..if you're going to completely ignore their respective responsibilities, I can just make a simple statement like Lebron was the best player on a team that won Gold in 2008..

If you want to actually compare, it's pointless..

Not only were their roles different, but Lebron faced much better compe ion than Durant did..

The 2006 Greek team was levels better than the 2010 Greek team, 2006 Argentina had prime Ginobili and Nocioni on the team, the 2006 German team had Nowitzki, and the champions Spain had Pau Gasol..not exactly comparable..

"High usage" isn't the only factor to determine leadership of a team, just like the player that scores the most isn't.

By "leadership", I mean the best player on a team..Lebron having to share the role with players like Wade and Kobe, and even Bosh and Howard, makes it arguable as to which players performed the best during the 2008 tournament..IMO it was Lebron, thus making my comment valid, and making the OP's comment to be false, obviously in my eyes..

Durant has a role that leaves no doubt as to which player is the best on his team, because he has no other great players to share the role with..he had by far the highest usage, and he was the only player to average double-digits in scoring IIRC..

As I said, I can make the argument that Lebron was the best player on the 2008 team..

Also, once again, I'm not even arguing that Lebron was better than Durant in International play, I'm not even saying Lebron was as good..I just believe Lebron has been the best or co-best player on a Gold medal team(with much better compe ion), so I don't think the OP's original claim is valid..

[HarlemHeat37]

Laker fans piggy-backing on Jamstone again..

Last time that me and Jammy got in an argument, they piggy backed the out of him..Jamstone then admitted that I got the best of him in that argument(he's gotten the best of me many times as well, I'm just using this as an example, not talking), and Laker fan stopped posting in the thread..

They really need to learn how to argue for themselves..

[HarlemHeat37]

http://carltonjordan.com/2010/04/02/...cious-pimples/

http://www.celebacne.com/2010/02/kevin-durant-acne.html

[oh crap]

quit cheapening yourself while you can harlem. living off of gasses on your schtick can only last so long. i've seen laker and mav fan with better sensibilities recently. at least know your limit, bro.

[oh crap]

I get that you're trolling, I do. but you're taking it too far. waaaay too far.

[Koolaid_Man]

Also, are Lakaluva and Koolaid paid each time they make gay references in their posts or something?

Let me explain this game to you homie...Kool and Luva are cut from two separate lines of cloth reppin the Lakers...that is for you s...

Like PAC and Snoop...since you guys been wondering well here we are 2 of ST's most wanted:

[JamStone]

And as I've said before, Lebron has had some completely dominant and historic series/games, including games vs. elite defensive teams, while Durant is completely unproven in the playoffs..his only playoff series of his career was extremely bad for a superstar player, which makes it puzzling as to why he's being crowned already..

As I have said many times, I wouldn't be surprised if Durant becomes a playoff performer, but right now, he isn't..I find him to be overrated due to the fact that he isn't a playmaker, and the fact that he's completely unproven in big games..

I'd say a 29 point, 19 rebound game in a win against the eventual NBA champions is a pretty dominant game. If you're going to try to prop up James for individual playoff games, you could do the same for Durant. Thing is Durant has only had one playoff series under his belt. LeBron has a dozen or so. I could make the argument that LeBron can't touch Richard Jefferson because Jefferson has had a very good performance in an NBA Finals win whereas LeBron is unproven in the NBA Finals and hadn't even won a game. But does that make sense? It's a similar argument as yours.

My point had nothing to do with which player was "given" a certain role..

My point is that Lebron on any international team has never been given even nearly the same amount of responsibility as Durant was given during this tournament, which makes it a poor comparison in regards to their roles IMO..

It's not a poor comparison just because the situations aren't exactly the same. Are you one to agree with Laker fans that LeBron can't be considered the best in the game since he doesn't have a championship?

You can absolutely make a comparison between LeBron and Durant because both played on Team USA squads while they were considered among the elite players in the league. The comparison is valid. Just because you particularly want to focus on a difference, it doesn't make the comparison poor. The comparison is fine. And what's more is that LeBron was "given" more responsibility than Durant on their respective teams. Durant took on responsibility by his play on the court rather than actually being given any of that leadership or responsibility.

It's irrelevant though, because I can argue that Lebron WAS the best player on the 2008 Olympics team..if you're going to completely ignore their respective responsibilities, I can just make a simple statement like Lebron was the best player on a team that won Gold in 2008..

You can argue that if you want. But the thing is that it's arguable and arguable only. There's no denying or refuting that Durant was the best player on this 2010 FIBA tournament Team USA squad. It's not even close to being questionable. You could argue LeBron was the best player on the 2008 USA team. But there are plenty of people with plenty of arguments that will tell you he was not.

If you want to actually compare, it's pointless..

Not only were their roles different, but Lebron faced much better compe ion than Durant did..

The 2006 Greek team was levels better than the 2010 Greek team, 2006 Argentina had prime Ginobili and Nocioni on the team, the 2006 German team had Nowitzki, and the champions Spain had Pau Gasol..not exactly comparable..

Not pointless. You just don't want to admit LeBron couldn't do in 2006 what Durant did these past couple weeks even though LeBron had a much more stacked team.

And why on earth would you mention compe ion, especially Dirk and Germany and Pau and Spain? Dirk aside, Germany's squad in 2006 sucked. And Team USA didn't even play Spain in the 2006 FIBA world championship tournament. Why mention Spain as better compe ion than this year when Team USA didn't even play Spain in 2006? Moreover, the only time Team USA could have played Spain would have been in the gold medal match had Team USA not lost to Greece, and in the gold medal match, Pau Gasol didn't even play because he got injured in the semis. So your "compe ion" argument is even sillier. Let's talk about that great 2006 compe ion and how you dwell on Dirk and Gasol and Ginobili and Team USA got beat by a Greece team that didn't even have an NBA player on their roster.

By "leadership", I mean the best player on a team..Lebron having to share the role with players like Wade and Kobe, and even Bosh and Howard, makes it arguable as to which players performed the best during the 2008 tournament..IMO it was Lebron, thus making my comment valid, and making the OP's comment to be false, obviously in my eyes..

Durant has a role that leaves no doubt as to which player is the best on his team, because he has no other great players to share the role with..he had by far the highest usage, and he was the only player to average double-digits in scoring IIRC..

Lol do you like making arguments against yourself? LeBron had Wade, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh among others on that 2006 team but somehow you're still trying to discredit Durant when the next best players on this Team USA squad were arguably Lamar Odom and Chauncey Billups. How on earth does that make any sense?

It's not a matter of "player usage" or having to share the leadership role. Team USA in 2006 LOST. There would essentially be no debate if Team USA didn't lose in 2006. But they lost. with more talent. To a team that didn't have NBA players. Durant led a team, not by any given leadership role. He led by his performance on the court. He was the best player on the team and in the tournament because of his play on the court. That's more than what LeBron did in 2006. It's even more than what LeBron did in 2008 when Team USA took Olympic gold.

You try to skew things to make it hard for LeBron to have shined because he had better teammates. To me, LeBron having better teammates and still losing makes what Durant did these past couple weeks more amazing.

As I said, I can make the argument that Lebron was the best player on the 2008 team..

Also, once again, I'm not even arguing that Lebron was better than Durant in International play, I'm not even saying Lebron was as good..I just believe Lebron has been the best or co-best player on a Gold medal team(with much better compe ion), so I don't think the OP's original claim is valid..

You could make the argument. But it's merely an arguable claim that is easily and readily refutable and debatable.

The OP's original claim has more validity than some of your arguments and points you've presented. Kevin Durant led a team to gold. LeBron has failed to lead a team to gold in 2006 and wasn't clearly the leader in 2008.

While that last point is admittedly debatable, the fact that it's debatable makes the original claim by the OP a valid enough point for you not to call it a stupid comparison. When LeBron was leader of a Team USA squad in a FIBA World Championship tournament, the team lost and failed to win gold. The comparison is valid.

[JamStone]

Laker fans piggy-backing on Jamstone again..

Last time that me and Jammy got in an argument, they piggy backed the out of him..Jamstone then admitted that I got the best of him in that argument(he's gotten the best of me many times as well, I'm just using this as an example, not talking), and Laker fan stopped posting in the thread..

They really need to learn how to argue for themselves..

"Besting me" in that argument is a bit much, Harlem. I acquiesced that your claim that LeBron was a better three point shooter off the dribble than Kobe was correct based on the statistical information you gave that you failed to cite with any resources or links. On your word, I acquiesced on a tangental point that LeBron was a better isolation and off the dribble three point shooter last season. You did have to go "mogrovejo" in order to argue your side.

And at the end, I still disagreed that LeBron was a better three point shooter. Kobe had a better three point percentage than LeBron last season, so you were still wrong. Earlier in that thread, you bottom lined things with no evidence saying LeBron was the better three point shooter, period. I merely pointed out that he wasn't.

You have an interesting definition of "besting" another in an argument when you only prove one point correct, when it wasn't even the actual point of issue of the argument, but a tangent. But your tangent point turned out right, based on your mogrovejo stats.

And at the end of the day, I'd still take Kobe over LeBron when it comes to three point shooting.

[picc84]

Oden Not Yet Cleared For Scrimmages

Trail Blazers center Greg Oden has not been cleared to participate in five-on-five scrimmages this week.

.....

"We're going to ease him into it ... maybe do some two-on-two or three-on-three, instead of up-and down five-on-five," Portland general manager Rich Cho said. "I'm hoping he'll be cleared to do that in the next couple of weeks."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wir...#ixzz0zQGu05cs

[resistanze]

Oden Not Yet Cleared For Scrimmages

You evil as .

[hater]

^

[hater]

Kevin Durant, best player in the NBA by far. He is so much better than any other player it is starting to reminisce of the Jordan years.

[Koolaid_Man]

Laker fans piggy-backing on Jamstone again..

Last time that Jammy ed the out of me, they piggy backed the out of him..

Fixed...

[JamStone]

Honestly, everything you post has to do with gay sex.

What the is wrong with you?

[Koolaid_Man]

Honestly, everything you post has to do with gay sex.

What the is wrong with you?

settle down settle down..and untwist your panties...

he did this to himself..."Jammy" really Jammy...just like Timmy I guess...

and you're being intellectually dishonest...did you not see all the vids I posted of LA Erotica...lest I remind you...:

[Cry Havoc]

Fixed...

You're a stupidly obvious troll, and your shtick was old the day you got here.

[Koolaid_Man]

You're a stupidly obvious troll, and your shtick was old the day you got here.

just as old as Tim Duncan's tongue ring? as soon as I find of picture of it..llok out man...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3244808

[Cry Havoc]

just as old as Tim Duncan's tongue ring? as soon as I find of picture of it..llok out man...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3244808

That's all you got?

Protip: Good trolls are creative.

[Koolaid_Man]

That's all you got?

Protip: Good trolls are creative.

you got something?

dangling a carrot for Kool aye? no thanks...however, I'm working on footage of David Robinson getting knocked the ed out by Karl Malone...the convulsions and shaking...it was awesome...