What about flouride?

[Wild Cobra]

WH: the flouridation varies, many communities still dont do it, some stopped, some just started. I think SA just started recently, they actually just approved it before Toyata came to town. Whowouldathunkit. Chromedreams.

Also, the flouride is supposedly odorless/tasteless. I can tell you that I am not picky when it comes to water, and have drank it all my life, but that since we moved to North Austin I stopped drinking the tap water because of the chemical after tase, and the fact that it wont quench my thirst.

LOL...

The water probably taste the same without the fluoride. Water in TX and OK just sucks.

[ChumpDumper]

Water supply smack?

Really?

[Parker2112]

LOL...

The water probably taste the same without the fluoride. Water in TX and OK just sucks.

the best water i ever drank was from a small community well in East Texas. It was called Pine Prairie, not even on the map, and the water tasted crystal clear and slightly sweet.

Since they have expanded their service area and the wells they draw from, the water is not the same. But even glacial water never had that sweet taste that I remember in East Texas.

[Parker2112]

Water supply smack?

Really?

check that youtube vid. Then we can talk. 2 minutes long. Not the one from Austin City Council, the one before.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure was stinky on SPI, tho. Corpus and Port Aransas, too.

In retrospect, the SA tap water was actually pretty good.

Agreed.

[Wild Cobra]

Since they have expanded their service area and the wells they draw from, the water is not the same. But even glacial water never had that sweet taste that I remember in East Texas.

Water is orderless and tasteless. That sweet stuff could have been some toxic chemical.

[Parker2112]

minerals. pure glacial water has no taste. different minerals can add flavor. There were no crops, nor was it near industry or business. sparsely populated. If I had to guess I think it was probably cow dribbling into the groundwater.

[Wild Cobra]

minerals. pure glacial water has no taste. different minerals can add flavor. There were no crops, nor was it near industry or business. sparsely populated. If I had to guess I think it was probably cow dribbling into the groundwater.

LOL...

Could be cow and piss you were drinking.

[Parker2112]

cow and piss filtered through black mud. and it was phenomenal.

[RandomGuy]

to be fair, thats not a simple question. How would any layman know the answer to this question? None on this forum even believes that the flouride used is a industrial waste product. proof positive that this subject matter is not an area of common knowledge.

Answer the question for me and then make the intended dump. but just know this: I aint no...

You did not answer his question, and he did ask it first.

I am sure that, if waste floride is indeed used to floridate water, the companies that make it would indeed benefit from not having to dispose of the chemical. I have now acknowledged and answered your question.

Now, how much floride is "disposed" of in this manner?

100%
50%
25%
2%

?

[RandomGuy]

"How could anyone possibly know that?"

As for how much "waste flouride" is disposed, it should be fairly easy to find out. Such things are not really closely gaurded secrets.

You still have not provided any proof of motive.

By the by, you can at least ferret out half of the equation by simply using the concentration given here at the SAWS website:
http://www.saws.org/our_water/fluoride.shtml

Fluoride already occurs naturally in San Antonio’s water at 0.3 parts per million. SAWS adds enough fluoride to bring the fluoride level up to 0.8 parts per million, the recommended level that experts say is necessary to protect teeth against decay. Water from the Trinity Aquifer is naturally fluoridated at very near the recommended levels and therefore requires no additional fluoride.

Average daily pumpage from the aquifer:
184.74 mg

I assume mg = million gallons.

at .5 parts per million added (.8-.3) it is a simple matter to find the total amount of required flouride per day, as both are in the same unit.

184.74*0.5

92 gallons per day. times 365 is 33,715 gallons per year. (way over stated simply because it seems that a good chunk of the water does not require any added flouride)

[Parker2112]

You did not answer his question, and he did ask it first.

I am sure that, if waste floride is indeed used to floridate water, the companies that make it would indeed benefit from not having to dispose of the chemical. I have now acknowledged and answered your question.

Now, how much floride is "disposed" of in this manner?

100%
50%
25%
2%

?

no idea. but in theory, a percentage (25%) might offset the disposal costs of the other 75%, allowing break even. again though, I dont know.

[Parker2112]

flouridation of SA water started just prior to Toyota's commitment to open the plant there. co-in-se-dink?

[Parker2112]

Fluoride is found in many common household products, including toothpaste (eg, sodium monofluorophosphate), vitamins, dietary supplements (eg, sodium fluoride), glass-etching or chrome-cleaning agents (eg, ammonium bifluoride), and insecticides and rodenticides (eg, sodium fluoride).

[RandomGuy]

oooh nifty.

I found the actual bid showing just how much SAWS used and how much they proposed to pay for it.

http://www.saws.org/business_center/...cic%20Acid.pdf

They spend roughly $648,000 per year on the product.

Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is an inexpensive liquid by-product of phosphate fertilizer manufacture.[30] It comes in varying strengths, typically 23–25%; because it contains so much water, shipping can be expensive.[31] It is also known as hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid.[30]

Not exactly big business it seems.

There goes the "there is big money in pushing floride on helpless people" assertion.

That logical fallacy fails even by its own standard.

[RandomGuy]

flouridation of SA water started just prior to Toyota's commitment to open the plant there. co-in-se-dink?

correlation is not cause.

Basic principle of science.

It rained right after I washed my car. Co-in-se-dink?

Same logical form. Same logical fallacy.

Do you have proof of motive?

[Parker2112]

oooh nifty.

I found the actual bid showing just how much SAWS used and how much they proposed to pay for it.

http://www.saws.org/business_center/...cic%20Acid.pdf

They spend roughly $648,000 per year on the product.



Not exactly big business it seems.

There goes the "there is big money in pushing floride on helpless people" assertion.

That logical fallacy fails even by its own standard.

at a time when every dollar counts? in this economy? Ill take the savings.

[RandomGuy]

at a time when every dollar counts? in this economy? Ill take the savings.

Fail.

Do you have proof of motive?

[Parker2112]

correlation is not cause.

Basic principle of science.

It rained right after I washed my car? Co-in-se-dink?

Same logical form. Same logical fallacy.

Do you have proof of motive?

raining = something outside of anyones control. ensuring economic vaibility of a plant by ensuring profitable/affordable disposal of toxic wastes = nothing to do with science

[Parker2112]

Fail.

Do you have proof of motive?

motive of what? $ is the driving motive behind our entire civilization. I dont know why motive keeps coming up.

[Parker2112]

take a look at the history of flouridation. Take a look at its origins, at who initially advocated for dosing the public, and who funded those lobbyists. Its not hard to find at all. Ive run out of time.

[rascal]

So how many kids end up like that from fluoride?

I took floride tablets as a kid. Never had a cavity.

[RandomGuy]

at a time when every dollar counts? in this economy? Ill take the savings.

The decision took place in 2002.

Hardly "this economy".

Relative to the expenses of both SAWS and Toyota, it kind of stretches credibility to think that this decision was really heavily influenced by something that amounts to 0.17% of the overall SAWS budget and an even smaller % of Toyota's budget.

(divide the yearly cost 648,000 by either the operating revenue of SAWS, 377,909,000 or that of the billions earned/spent by Toyota)

[Parker2112]

It boils down to govt knows best. dosing to them means win-win. strong economy, less sick people, no geographic polluted hot-spots, and maybe healthier teeth. Industry can turn a profit and fund the scrubbing requirements. And only the weakest/youngest will get sick. But the process needs to be transparent. Just like Iraq, govt knows best. but the process needs transparency.

[Parker2112]

take a look at the history of flouridation. Take a look at its origins, at who initially advocated for dosing the public, and who funded those lobbyists. Its not hard to find at all. Ive run out of time.